Pre-emptive military strike to Iran, goin' out with a bang, baby!
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Thursday, August 13, 2026 00:50
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One last present from the Bush administration?
If it can be done, I bet he'll do it!
(They got ICBM's for their WMD's....uhhh, right?)
Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
One last present from the Bush administration?
If it can be done, I bet he'll do it!
(They got ICBM's for their WMD's....uhhh, right?)
Medium Range Ballistic missiles. At best they could hit Isreal, parts of Europe, China...Moscow, maybe.
H
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You know, by Bush's logic
with all the bluster and threats the US is making and going by the logic and actions already committed...
Wouldn't Iran be justified in putting a nuke in a freighter and setting it off in a US port city in a litte " Pre-emption " on their own ?
Despite Hero's medium range missile options, Iran is preparing to put their own satilites in orbit within the next few years, will all the threats cause them to build ICBMs... not much of a question
Maybe the US is trying to start a new cold war to keep all the military contrators in the black, after all, Northrop can't be making any money off Iraq, using a B-2 against two guys with a RPG is kinda a waste
start this war, the 10 billion a month the yanks are spending now will be a drop in the bucket... get ready for socialist level taxation with capitalist level services...
" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "
The Killers
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/killers/allthesethingsthativedone.html
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I'm hoping like hell the Republican Party will somehow stop him seeing how they'd like a chance at getting re-elected.
Fruit's Oaty Bar! Is a person from the mouse! Fruit's Oaty Bar! Makes your bust from yours female shirt! Continuously eats them! Let them cause you to be surprised!
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I used to be outraged by the Bush crime spree. Now I just view it all in a kind of paralyzed horror.
I'm betting that he's going to pop the cork a few months before the 2006 election. But do you think the American people will fall for this again? And if not, what will "the people" do? Protest? Stay away from the polls in droves or turn out and vote Democrat? And what will Bush do? Jigger the electronic vote (again)? Allow a terrorist incident? Or will the powers behind the throne assasinate their lame-duck no-longer-popular Presidential puppet? Either leads to martial law.
I don't think people realize, but we really had a coup in the USA. It was masked by the fact that the President and his "war on terror" was very popular post-9-11 and for a few years after. But the velvet glove will come off the iron fist pretty soon.
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Free as in freedom, not beer.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
I used to be outraged by the Bush crime spree. Now I just view it all in a kind of paralyzed horror.
I'm betting that he's going to pop the cork a few months before the 2006 election. But do you think the American people will fall for this again? And if not, what will "the people" do? Protest? Stay away from the polls in droves or turn out and vote Democrat? And what will Bush do? Jigger the electronic vote (again)? Allow a terrorist incident? Or will the powers behind the throne assasinate their lame-duck no-longer-popular Presidential puppet? Either leads to martial law.
I don't think people realize, but we really had a coup in the USA. It was masked by the fact that the President and his "war on terror" was very popular post-9-11 and for a few years after. But the velvet glove will come off the iron fist pretty soon.
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Free as in freedom, not beer.
Maybe Bush is trying to live in a Tom Clancy novel...
If that is the case about a month before the next US election, a terrorist attack will hit a debate taking out the canidates of both parties, as well as most other contenders... suddenly he will have to stay on, not because he wants to but for the good of the country... and in a bizzare act of revenge he will invade Norway, because he has " intell " they were behind it and he needs troops in there to counter the socialist horrors of the evil Swedes........
Even the French would have taken Bush out back of the barn by now
" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "
The Killers
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/killers/allthesethingsthativedone.html
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Let's talk alternate realities for a moment.
Imagine a world where the self serving delusions of Achmed Chalabi, as pushed by Richard Pearl and friends had actually come about. Iraqi's had welcomed the US forces as liberators with flowers, democratic government had proved easy to establish and what Sadamist insurgents there where had proved to be easy to deal with.
Could you imagine that Iran would still have an enrichment program? I don't, I imagine that they would have dropped that idea in an instant.
Iran's current possition comes about because it knows that with Iraq unstable the US hasn't the resources to stop it. I think Iran's president is also deliberately trying to provoke some kind of Israeli attack in order to shore up the Islamic State and pull the wind from the sails of the reformers.
How else would you explain the enrichment claim earlier this week? Most experts had said that Iran needed 5 years before it was in a possition to make a bomb. If that were true neither the US or Israel would need to act immediately, it could be years before a confrontation was nescessary, years where the reformers in Tehran would make steady progress towards reform.
Now if you wanted a weapon and you happened to be ahead of the "experts" timeline the sane thing to do would be to make your progress the highest national secret. After all you would only need a couple of years to finish off a weapon. Let your enemies think they have 5 years to act in, use their complacency for your benefit.
So why tell them you are ahead of schedule when you still don't have a weapon? It's stupid unless your real goal is to get them to take action against you. Nothing boosts nationalism and the current regime more than an external attack. The bigest threat to the current Iranian regime isn't Israel or the US but their own people and the calls for reform.
Do we play patsy for these folks and give them what they want or do we try and bolster the forces for change inside?
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Originally posted by Fletch2:
Let's talk alternate realities for a moment.
Imagine a world where the self serving delusions of Achmed Chalabi, as pushed by Richard Pearl and friends had actually come about. Iraqi's had welcomed the US forces as liberators with flowers, democratic government had proved easy to establish and what Sadamist insurgents there where had proved to be easy to deal with.
Could you imagine that Iran would still have an enrichment program? I don't, I imagine that they would have dropped that idea in an instant.
Iran's current possition comes about because it knows that with Iraq unstable the US hasn't the resources to stop it. I think Iran's president is also deliberately trying to provoke some kind of Israeli attack in order to shore up the Islamic State and pull the wind from the sails of the reformers.
How else would you explain the enrichment claim earlier this week? Most experts had said that Iran needed 5 years before it was in a possition to make a bomb. If that were true neither the US or Israel would need to act immediately, it could be years before a confrontation was nescessary, years where the reformers in Tehran would make steady progress towards reform.
Now if you wanted a weapon and you happened to be ahead of the "experts" timeline the sane thing to do would be to make your progress the highest national secret. After all you would only need a couple of years to finish off a weapon. Let your enemies think they have 5 years to act in, use their complacency for your benefit.
So why tell them you are ahead of schedule when you still don't have a weapon? It's stupid unless your real goal is to get them to take action against you. Nothing boosts nationalism and the current regime more than an external attack. The bigest threat to the current Iranian regime isn't Israel or the US but their own people and the calls for reform.
Do we play patsy for these folks and give them what they want or do we try and bolster the forces for change inside?
Or perhaps they are telling the truth and only want nuclear power independant of foreign control...
" Nothing boosts nationalism and the current regime more than an external attack. "
Isn't that the US position ?
" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "
The Killers
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/killers/allthesethingsthativedone.html
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Yes you are right, but other countries did manage to do that without causing an international incident, South Africa, India, Pakistan, Argentina....
Besides the IAEA isn't saying that they should stop enrichment, just that they should do it with international monitoring. Now that might rankle national pride but if you had no plans for a bomb and wanted only a civil program it makes sense. It's far easier to get key technology from abroad if you are on the IAEA's good side. It becomes far harder for Israel to justify a pre-emptive attack as well.
If a civil program is all you want their current actions make no sense. I'm still convinced my arguments make sense, the current situation, the comments made by their President all goad Israel and bolster the conservatives back home. It looks like provocation.
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Or course South Africa, Argentina and now Brazil were not threatened by their neighbors as well as the US, Before telling the IAEA to get out. You notice that nobody has offered " well go ahead, but we'll have to have inspectors onsite " as a compromise position. Also wasn't the IAEA only kicked out after they refered the matter to the UN security council ( as pushed to by Condo Rice )
http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/?feed=TopNews&article=UPI-1-20060207-0
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India and Pakistan both managed to build nukes without these problems... as did Israel, with the sham of inspections present.
I would suggest the international incident is more of US origin, and is more motivated by Bush trying to present a bogeyman in order to bolster his partys diminishing polls.
" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "
The Killers
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/killers/allthesethingsthativedone.html
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