The 12th Planet/Nibiru/ Zacharia Stitchen/ End Time/ The Gods of Eden & the Mayan Calender/Alternative Belifes

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Originally posted by LittleAlbatross:

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well the reason why I bring all of this up is because some people think that Nibiru the 12th Planet in our solar system also known as planet X is going to be here in 2012

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What does that mean? Is the planet going to come to Earth? Cross orbits? I'm a bit confused by the wording.

Also - is the planet X in this theory the same one that was discovered beyond Pluto (although both could be more accurately referred to as planetoids)? Or is it a new one that will be discovered in 2012?

Ok. I was serious. Can I make a joke about L. Ron Hubbard now?

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Planet X, according to myth, is a planet that exists on the other side of the sun and is out of our site most of the time because the sun blocks it out. The myth goes on to say that every 3,600 years, the planet comes into view and creates great enviromental disasters on Earth. This comes from ancient Mediterranean myth. It was commonly used to explain why some times natural disasters seem to be getting worse and more frequent (sort of how it is happening today). It is unsure where this actual myth began but many people give the Sumerians credit for it.

Another legend is that Planet X is actually a comet and not a planet and as already dismissed in a previous post, wouldn't be possible since it's mass wouldn't be great enough to affect any weather patterns on Earth.

If we are going to talk about the end of times, I think there is more evidence in worrying about Yellowstone's Super Volcano erupting and wiping out life on the North American continent and putting the rest of the world into a major ice age than this Planet X scenario.

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.

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Originally posted by rklenseth:
Planet X, according to myth, is a planet that exists on the other side of the sun and is out of our site most of the time because the sun blocks it out. The myth goes on to say that every 3,600 years, the planet comes into view and creates great enviromental disasters on Earth. This comes from ancient Mediterranean myth. It was commonly used to explain why some times natural disasters seem to be getting worse and more frequent (sort of how it is happening today). It is unsure where this actual myth began but many people give the Sumerians credit for it.

Another legend is that Planet X is actually a comet and not a planet and as already dismissed in a previous post, wouldn't be possible since it's mass wouldn't be great enough to affect any weather patterns on Earth.

If we are going to talk about the end of times, I think there is more evidence in worrying about Yellowstone's Super Volcano erupting and wiping out life on the North American continent and putting the rest of the world into a major ice age than this Planet X scenario.

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Ah, I see. The planet X's (planets X?) are not the same. Thank you for the explanation.

Although to remain on the other side of the sun and not be visible to Earth at any time, wouldn't planet X need to be on the same orbit?

Regarding end of time scenarios, I hadn't heard about the Super Volcano, but that does seem more plausible than the arrival of planet X.

Personally, I'm kind of worried about the rate of glacial melt. Whether it's the result of global warming or not - there seems to be something happening. And the possible scenarios drawn up for the next 20 years don't look promising.

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I definitely agree with rklenseth that the Yellowstone Supervolcano is a more immediate threat, it has been proven to exist(unlike this planetX).

As for Planet X, the myth is really just bad science. Any planet that takes 3600 years to go around the sun would be spotted easily by astronomers. It would be visible from Earth for around one half to two thirds of the year because of the slow speed of its revolutions.

Also, any planet that sped through the systemclose enough to Earth to cause problems would have to cross the orbits of five planets (eight if you count Pluto and the two new planetoids they have discovered beyond Pluto; and before anyone says anything, no those two new planetoids have nothing to do with PlanetX. they have fairly stable orbits and dont take anywhere near 3600 years to travel around the sun). If it has been doing this cosmic lane changing since the birth of the solar system, statistically, it would be damn near impossible for it to not have either hit one of the other planets, or been caught by the gravity of, say, Jupiter, and made into a moon, thrown off course, or simply torn apart. Plus, if it took 3600 years, its orbit would be extremely long and very thin. Plnets cant turn on a dime. If it went so far out that it would take that many years to get back, it's gone. It ain't comin' back from that, because the sun's gravity is next to nothing out there. It would just keep drifting and drifting...

Simply put, your Planet X doesnt exist. It is a scientific impossibility.

If your worried about natural disaster, worry about Yellowstone or glacial melt. Those are real problems

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

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Originally posted by LittleAlbatross:

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Originally posted by rklenseth:
Planet X, according to myth, is a planet that exists on the other side of the sun and is out of our site most of the time because the sun blocks it out. The myth goes on to say that every 3,600 years, the planet comes into view and creates great enviromental disasters on Earth. This comes from ancient Mediterranean myth. It was commonly used to explain why some times natural disasters seem to be getting worse and more frequent (sort of how it is happening today). It is unsure where this actual myth began but many people give the Sumerians credit for it.

Another legend is that Planet X is actually a comet and not a planet and as already dismissed in a previous post, wouldn't be possible since it's mass wouldn't be great enough to affect any weather patterns on Earth.

If we are going to talk about the end of times, I think there is more evidence in worrying about Yellowstone's Super Volcano erupting and wiping out life on the North American continent and putting the rest of the world into a major ice age than this Planet X scenario.

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Ah, I see. The planet X's (planets X?) are not the same. Thank you for the explanation.

Although to remain on the other side of the sun and not be visible to Earth at any time, wouldn't planet X need to be on the same orbit?

Regarding end of time scenarios, I hadn't heard about the Super Volcano, but that does seem more plausible than the arrival of planet X.

Personally, I'm kind of worried about the rate of glacial melt. Whether it's the result of global warming or not - there seems to be something happening. And the possible scenarios drawn up for the next 20 years don't look promising.

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There is a lot more involved then my small explanation so if you're really interested you can easily do a google and search and find a lot of info on it.

Some believe that Planet X isn't the actual cause of the events but just a sign of what is to come. Some believe that it could simply be a comet and a lot of ancient and even modern day belief that comets are a sign of evil. Some believe that the new planets discovered past Pluto are the sign.

A lot of end of times beliefs center around this Planet X and what it is. But anyways, you're going to see a lot more of these kinds of things up until 2012 (which is when the Mayan calender ends) because currently a lot of groups believe that will be the date the world will end. Some even believe that it has already begun here in 2006. A Jewish rabbi (the one that supposedly predicted the Asian tsunami before it happend six months before it did) recently warned that 2006 will begin the end of times and that things will begin to go downhill from here real fast. Some would look at the all the weird weather patterns and the escalating tensions with Iran (the possibility of nuclear war) as signs that this is beginning. A spiritual leader in Native American culture recently warned that there would be major hurricanes, earthquakes, and tornadoes hitting the US in 2006 and also claimed a tsumani would wipe out Los Angeles and that a comet would hit Earth by the end of 2006.

But you have to take all of this with a grain of salt. Could it be true? That is for you to decide. If it is what the hell does it matter because then we are all most likely screwed anyways.

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.

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You mean like the ancients had batteries and all that sort of stuff.

Though it didn't take us thousands of years to rediscover Concrete or Glass (a few hundred) the first Battery was discovered in an archaeological dig near Baghdad and is roughly 2000 years old though and wasn't reinvented until 1799.

However how do we know that the Sumerians used the Snake to represent DNA? If it's a guess based on the shape of the Snake being similar to the double helix (I'm not sure what symbol is being discussed so I don't know) then the theory isn't up to much. We found out that DNA was a double helix structure using X-Ray diffraction in the 1940's and it stretches the imagination beyond breaking point to believe the ancient Sumerians had X-Ray machines at all, let alone ones that are sensitive enough for that purpose.

DNA was discovered in 1868 while a Swiss Biologist was conducting experiments on Cells. As far as I know there's no evidence to suggest that the Sumerians had the facilities or chemicals to do the required tests, nor even knew of the existence of Cells, let alone DNA.

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Originally posted by rklenseth:
There is a lot more involved then my small explanation so if you're really interested you can easily do a google and search and find a lot of info on it.

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I will. Just don't have time at the moment (since I know I'll just keep reading and I'm supposed to be writing a paper.)

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Some believe that Planet X isn't the actual cause of the events but just a sign of what is to come. Some believe that it could simply be a comet and a lot of ancient and even modern day belief that comets are a sign of evil. Some believe that the new planets discovered past Pluto are the sign.

A lot of end of times beliefs center around this Planet X and what it is. But anyways, you're going to see a lot more of these kinds of things up until 2012 (which is when the Mayan calender ends) because currently a lot of groups believe that will be the date the world will end. Some even believe that it has already begun here in 2006. A Jewish rabbi (the one that supposedly predicted the Asian tsunami before it happend six months before it did) recently warned that 2006 will begin the end of times and that things will begin to go downhill from here real fast. Some would look at the all the weird weather patterns and the escalating tensions with Iran (the possibility of nuclear war) as signs that this is beginning. A spiritual leader in Native American culture recently warned that there would be major hurricanes, earthquakes, and tornadoes hitting the US in 2006 and also claimed a tsumani would wipe out Los Angeles and that a comet would hit Earth by the end of 2006.

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A lot of that stuff could happen too. There have already been several devastating tornadoes. If I remember correctly, a small comet could hit Earth, since most of it would burn up in the atmosphere.

Interestingly - the weather predictions sort of match up to a report issued to the US government that detailed possible climate scenarios over the next 20 years. While the authors noted it was the least likely, it was still a possibility. It included severe weather patterns starting about now (the report was written in 2003), including more flooding.

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But you have to take all of this with a grain of salt. Could it be true? That is for you to decide. If it is what the hell does it matter because then we are all most likely screwed anyways.

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That pretty much sums up my feelings on the subject. I don't see the point of worrying over what can't be changed or stopped.

I can't help but wonder, though, how many of these end of days prophecies would exist, with the timeline that they have, if the Mayan calendar had been lost.

I find end of world scenarios interesting but I've kind of become desensitized to them (no one ever tells you how depressing working on a politics degree can be!)

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Originally posted by rklenseth:
A lot of end of times beliefs center around this Planet X and what it is. But anyways, you're going to see a lot more of these kinds of things up until 2012 (which is when the Mayan calender ends) because currently a lot of groups believe that will be the date the world will end. Some even believe that it has already begun here in 2006. A Jewish rabbi (the one that supposedly predicted the Asian tsunami before it happend six months before it did) recently warned that 2006 will begin the end of times and that things will begin to go downhill from here real fast. Some would look at the all the weird weather patterns and the escalating tensions with Iran (the possibility of nuclear war) as signs that this is beginning. A spiritual leader in Native American culture recently warned that there would be major hurricanes, earthquakes, and tornadoes hitting the US in 2006 and also claimed a tsumani would wipe out Los Angeles and that a comet would hit Earth by the end of 2006.

But you have to take all of this with a grain of salt. Could it be true? That is for you to decide. If it is what the hell does it matter because then we are all most likely screwed anyways.

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.

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First of all, people have been saying "this year is the beginning of the end times!" every year for the last 2,000 years. It hasn't happenned yet.

Secondly, saying that tornados, earthquakes, hurricanes and tsunamis will batter the U.S. or the world in general is like saying "the sun will come up tomorrow". It is bound to happen, end times or not.

As for specific disasters, like a tsunami wiping out LA and a comet hitting the Earth this year, do you know how many people have been predicting that sort of thing for over a century? Every year has its own End of Days Crazy Wannabe Prophets. So far, extremely few of them have been even close to correct, and statistically, someone has to guess correctly sometime, so predicting something before it happens means nothing except that they made a really lucky guess. This Rabbi and this spiritual leader know nothing more about the future than you or me.

The sky is NOT falling, folks! Don't panic!

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

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Originally posted by RocketJock:
William Hartnell, actually.

As for the *ahem* non-religion *ahem* described, the science is horrible. Just as a start, if this mysterious planet were so far out from the sun as to take 3,600 years for one orbit, its gravitational effect on the Earth would be too miniscule to measure; there's no way it could set off natural disasters.

It sounds like bad science fiction from the pulp era. Try googling "The Shaver Mystery" sometime if you like this sort of weirdness. Or any scientology literature.

Me, I'm gonna slip in my DVD copy of "Evil Brain from Outer Space" and veg out. Later.

"They're not bad movies. Just misunderstood." -- Mr. Lobo

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It has an eliptical orbit, and comes pretty close to the earth, not bad science at all.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
All my hopes, PJ, for a serious reply from someone, your thread seems to have called out the Goof Detail.

Chrisisall

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I know and I was truly hoping for a serious dialogue or at the very least someone who was familar with Stitchen's work, but I guess mostly the narrow minded wanted to post!!

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