Illegal immigration
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Quote:Here's another comparison, (again rather crude, but...):
Originally posted by Khyron:
It's not a great comparison, but it sort of gets the point across.
You're in a lifeboat. The ship went down days ago. You find out that two on board, a man and his son (who take regular turns rowing and whom many have come to like), circumvented the lottery process and 'snuck' their way onto the lifeboat.
Do you toss them overboard 'cause technically, they shouldn't even be there?
Or do you toss off that Dr. Smith-lookin' motherfrakker who's stealing extra rations and water for himself (but got on legit)?
Milagro-lovin' Chrisisall
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Well the problem is not just with Bush. This goes back decades and both parties have been taking advantage of the illegal situation.
Back during the Clinton years there was a nominee who was dropped after it was found she had an illegal as a nanny adn knew the woman was illegal.
So this not just one side of the political sysytem.
TANSTAAFL
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Milagro- All that means is that there are a heckuva lot of illegals here attempting to apply political pressure thru non-voting means ... not entirely reassuring.
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Quote:I find it somewhat reassuring in that it means rich folk aren't the ONLY ones can do that...
Originally posted by SignyM:
All that means is that there are a heckuva lot of illegals here attempting to apply political pressure thru non-voting means ... not entirely reassuring.
Play the system that plays you Chrisisall
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Quote:Not exactly the right comparison. You work on cruise ship. Some of you are cooks, some waiters, some cleaners, and a couple of you are executives who own the cruise line. Some of you were allowed on the boat illegally and have been put to work for next to nothing because it costs the cruise line much less to hire them. So, while YOU are getting $10 an hour, the guy next to you is making $6. So, do you toss out the executives or the guy who's making $6? Or both?
You're in a lifeboat. The ship went down days ago. You find out that two on board, a man and his son (who take regular turns rowing and whom many have come to like), circumvented the lottery process and 'snuck' their way onto the lifeboat.
Do you toss them overboard 'cause technically, they shouldn't even be there? Or do you toss off that Dr. Smith-lookin' motherfrakker who's stealing extra rations and water for himself (but got on legit)?
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Border? We don't want no stinkin border!
You capture a pirate ship that's been raping, robbing an killin. What do ya do?
YOU MAKE EM WALK THE EFFING PLANK!
What did the British Navy call that thing where you "keel-haul" sombody, as shark bait? Didn't Mal refer to that in Firefly?
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U.S.-Born Latinos Oppose Illegal Immigration
AP | April 11 2006
PHOENIX -- Contrary to scenes of hundreds of thousands of united Latinos marching across the country in support of immigration reform, a sizable number of the ethnic group opposes the marches and strongly objects to illegal immigration.
Their voices have largely been muffled by the massive protests, however, which continued Monday as thousands of demonstrators took to the streets of cities nationwide.
Those protesting are voicing their support of a Senate bill that would give an estimated 11 million illegal immigrants living in the country a chance for U.S. citizenship.
"That's the objective of the marches — to give the impression that all Latinos are for allowing the illegals to become citizens," said Phoenix resident Lionel De La Rosa. "Well, I'm not."
The 71-year-old Texas native and Vietnam veteran said he favors punitive measures more in line with the immigration bill passed by the U.S. House in December that would have made it a felony to be in the United States illegally.
"I'm for that 100 percent," he said. "As far as my Latino friends are concerned, they all agree on this."
A 2005 survey by the Pew Hispanic Center found that Latinos in general have favorable attitudes toward immigrants and immigration. But when it comes to illegal immigration, significant numbers have negative views of undocumented immigrants.
The survey found those feelings are strongest among middle-class and middle-age U.S.-born Latinos.
And though 68 percent of Latinos said they believe undocumented immigrants help the economy by providing low-cost labor, nearly a quarter felt undocumented immigrants hurt the economy by driving down wages.
U.S.-born Latinos looked even less favorably toward undocumented immigrants than foreign-born Latinos. More than a third of U.S.-born Latinos said undocumented immigrants hurt the economy, compared with just 15 percent of foreign-born Latinos.
Latinos also are divided over whether to allow undocumented immigrants to earn citizenship, the survey found.
Though 88 percent of foreign-born Latinos favored allowing undocumented immigrants to earn citizenship, a smaller number of U.S.-born Latinos, 78 percent, said undocumented immigrants should be allowed to do so.
Though views such as De La Rosa's are common among Latinos, they are rarely reflected among Latino leaders, said Steven Camarota, research director at the Center for Immigration Studies, a Washington, D.C. think tank that favors greater restrictions on immigration.
"It's easy to tap into the views of the intellectual class, but harder to tap0into the views of the common folks," he said.
And because so much of the debate over illegal immigration comes off as anti-Hispanic, Latinos who favor greater restrictions on immigration are often reluctant to speak out.
"That's extremely off-putting," Camarota said. "Whatever their views, they keep it to themselves."
Many Latinos fear being ostracized for their negative views of undocumented immigrants, said Phoenix resident Frank Barrios, 64.
"There are a lot of Hispanics that are upset about the undocumented just the same way as the Anglo population," said Barrios, a third-generation Mexican-American who traces his family's roots in Arizona to the 1870s. "That group is larger than many people would believe."
www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/4/10/144315.shtml?s=lh
I'd picket with those Latinos anytime. Better yet, we can hunt illegals, make citizens arrests, and deport em. And make citizens arrests on their employers, and get paid that $250,000 bounty!
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Originally posted by Hero:
I think perhaps this situation needs to explode. A huge riot in Washington or a massacre along the border. The leadership of both parties are in a coma when it comes to this issue and if millions marching peacefully for rights they don't have can't wake people up, then senseless violance might do the job.
I'm not advocating violence by either side,in fact I hope that it can be avoided and I'm greatly impressed by the demonstrations and behaivor of everyone from the Minutemen's peaceful border watch
to the pro-immigration rallys
across the country. It might just be my frustration
at whats not happening or maybe because I've studied history and it seems a violent act
might be necessary to create the political will to enact a solution.
My solution, close the border with the military (at least long enough to train and equip the new border patrol and build a nice big fence), guest worker status for everyone here (you can't deport 12 million people), felony offense to employ illegals, immediate deportation for anyone who doesn't register, and the removal of Hillary Clinton office (oddly that also my solution to global warming, the economy, the high gas prices, the sequal to Serenity, what I'm fixing for dinner tonight, and just about any other problem I can think of).
H
Dammit Hero, I have to agree with you, mostly.
But Hillary's name is Blythe-Rockefeller, and there's only one way to stop a Rockfeller - fuck em to death.
Dammit Mal!...I forgot my line!
-Jayne
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Quote:Toss no one off, sounds like I got a good deal, is all.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Not exactly the right comparison. You work on cruise ship. Some of you are cooks, some waiters, some cleaners, and a couple of you are executives who own the cruise line. Some of you were allowed on the boat illegally and have been put to work for next to nothing because it costs the cruise line much less to hire them. So, while YOU are getting $10 an hour, the guy next to you is making $6. So, do you toss out the executives or the guy who's making $6? Or both?
I guess deep somewhere down I'm one of those socialist-types. I see the world as melding into one (low) economic level at some point, with just a few in a position of wealth and power (Like it's always been, eh?).
It's like the 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries were some sort of abberation- power and wealth got somewhat distributed in spots, wasn't meant to happen.
Whether it letting in illegals, or squandering our resources on war intended to secure future oil access, the bottom line is we've decided collectivly to follow assholes into the toilet, and complain when they flush.
I don't know if the economic destruction of our country can be reversed at this point, it would take such a major change in education, science and military intervention, that it just doesn't seem possible to me.
Just read that 70% of Americans dissaprove where this country is heading. That it takes this long for any to see what a destructive fool Bush is is very unsettling. I saw it a long way off, and I'm no genius.
Signy, please tell me that Finn, AURaptor, Hero, and others are right, that I'm just prone to doomy gloomy scenarios, and that all will be well with this country in a matter of hours....
Off-topic it seems Chrisisall
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Hey, ya know, after reading my posts and yours I just talked myself out of my anti-immigration stance. It's not their fault, it's the *ssholes who set the system up. Bottom line: the solution is to raise the minimum wage and enforce it to make sure that nobody is working at starvation wages (or less).
And for those who complain about the competition from cheap labor: Have you joined a union? Do you boycott Walmart? Did you push your Congressmen for a higher minimum wage, or push for worker and environmental protections in NAFTA? If not.... if you're a pro-corporate anti-labor sort of person then you're diving headlng into the toilet.
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USA is currently under attack by invasion from a foreign nation, but the front lines are now moved so far inward so that it is essentially a Civil War. Especially when you considered the traitors who hijacked the white House, Congress, all state legislatures and most county commissions and city councils, that welcome illegal criminal alien invaders with billions of our taxdollars, in violation of their oaths of office to represent The People and enforce The Law.
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FORGET ABOUT CIVIL WAR IN IRAQ, ONE IS COMING TO AMERICA
By Pastor Chuck Baldwin
NewsWithViews.com
April 11, 2006
While American troops are hunkered down in "safe zones" in Iraq trying to stay out of an escalating civil war, our government seems oblivious to a growing threat of civil war right here in the United States. As anyone can see, millions of illegal aliens living here are becoming more vocal, more demonstrative, more belligerent, and more violence-prone by the day. Unless our government takes deliberate and significant action immediately, America could be in for serious civil unrest real soon.
It is absolutely incredible that our government would tolerate people who are not even legal residents of our country to generate the kind of mass demonstrations and protests that we are witnessing on a daily basis! It is more than incredible; it is outrageous!
According to The Christian Science Monitor (April 10, 2006), immigrants (most of them illegal) are "mobilizing for major 'action.'" Nearly 100 American cities will soon feel the brunt of this "action."
Organizers describe these coming demonstrations as "the biggest social movement of Hispanics since the United Farm Workers of Cesar Chavez." In addition, organizers predict that thousands of Muslims will also join millions of illegal Hispanics on what can only be regarded as an anti-America crusade.
The American people need to understand that the United States is under attack! No, not by Iraq or Iran, but by Mexico! Yes, Martha, you had better believe it. The Mexican government is deliberately and systematically working to destabilize and undermine the very fabric and framework of American society. And President George W. Bush and Senators John McCain and Ted Kennedy (among others) are aiding and abetting this effort.
Right now, much of Latin America is embroiled in a serious takeover by Leftist-Marxists. In all likelihood, Mexico's next leader will be an open Leftist. Vicente Fox has helped create an increased appetite for socialism (not that Mexico ever had a true understanding of freedom and republicanism), and the next Mexican leader is certain to finish the job.Quote:
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However, Fox has done more than turn his own country leftward. He has superintended over the biggest invasion of the United States in our country's history. That's right, invasion! A close, personal friendship with President George W. Bush has given Fox the opportunity to purposely allow (or even send) millions of criminals, thugs, anarchists, and potential terrorists to swarm over our southern border in breathtaking numbers. (As I have chronicled before in this column, nearly half of all illegal aliens currently living in the U.S. came here since Bush became president in 2000.)
Yet, while Mexican President Fox encourages and even promotes massive illegal immigration to the U.S., his own country's constitution in Chapter 3, Article 33, states, "The Executive of the Union has the exclusive right to expel from the national territoNOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
