War on sickness
POSTED BY: SergeantX
UPDATED: Thursday, April 27, 2006 20:46
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The solution is clear - boycott all MDs and Death Camps, grow your own organic food, stock up on medicinal plants, hire a midwife, stop poisoning yourself, learn how to fix broken bodyparts yourself, like they already do in most parts of the world. Purchase your own first aid kits for "first responders", which cost less than one month premium of insurance.
Beware the term "health insurance", rather than "sickness insurance". You are only allowed insurance when you are healthy. It's cancelled when you get sick. And 9 times out of 10, it was the doc who made you sick in the first place. You don't really think "vaccinations" are to PREVENT disease, do you?
My wife had 4 heart attacks at age 32, thanks to "free socialized healthcare" from Gangsta Govt. That "free healthcare insurance" has cost us over $1-million in lost wages. ALL US doctors are BANNED from writing prescriptions for our antibiotics, which we have to find from overseas pharmacies, and run the "Homeland Security" blockade to keep from dying. THAT'S how much Gangsta Govt loves millions of soldiers and prisoners, and their "healthcare" providers, who catch their contagious bioweaponized diseases, injected by loving "vaccination".
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Quote:Fletch2
It's a question. How many uninsured are you willing to kill for ideological purity?
Well, somebody's gotta be first even if it's not Mass.
It doesn't prevent me from standing on the sidelines, pointing my finger and laughing at Mass for being too chicken-sh*t to do what's necessary.
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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PN,
I agree with about half of what you say - which generally excludes your conclusions. I have no problem with the science of medicine, I do have issues with the business of medicine. The business of medicine drives medical policy, to the detriment of patients.
For example - within months of the discovery of penicillin, resistant bacteria were found. Within a few years Fleming was warning of resistant bacteria being common. But stockyard people found animals grew fatter with antibiotics. Doctors were only too happy to prescribe the wonder drugs to demanding patients. And pharm companies were happy to make and sell as much as they could. These were all business decisions.
No where in this system was there a place for sound regulatory rules. In fact, decades later with a runaway resistance problem there still are no rules. While the CDC and other agencies recommend withholding antibiotics for all but proven use, you will still find doctors able to routinely write prescriptions 'just in case'. And animals are still being fed antibiotics, tons each year - half of all antibiotics made.
And there you have it - business trumps science.
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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Originally posted by Fletch2:
PN "Annual fees" mean once a year..... and it's a fine, if you pass on a labor fine to an employee you go to jail, it's called false accounting.
That's $250/month per employee, and yes it does come out of the employee's paycheck. That why the "withholdings" are so high. Many people already pay $1,000/month or $2,000/month for "company health insurance". Suckers.
$295 annual fine will also be deducted from the employee's paycheck. That's what bookkeepers are for, to cook the books (book-cookers?). Most companies already illegally force hourly employees to work "off the clock", for free. At the very least, cancel or delay a pay raise, cancel a bonus, reduce a pension, fire an employee. Note that the $295 fine is $2,200 less than paying for insurance, so millions of employees will still be denied insurance under this SCHEME.
THIS WHOLE THING LOOKS LIKE A GIANT MONEY-SUCKING SCAM.
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PN, where didn you find the $250 a month? I looked all over and I didn't see a typical pricetag. Show me boy, dazzle us with your investigational genious and actually post an acredited news source for that figure...
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Originally posted by rue:
PN,
For example - within months of the discovery of penicillin, resistant bacteria were found. Within a few years Fleming was warning of resistant bacteria being common. But stockyard people found animals grew fatter with antibiotics. Doctors were only too happy to prescribe the wonder drugs to demanding patients. And pharm companies were happy to make and sell as much as they could. No where in this system was there a place for sound regulatory rules. In fact, decades later with a runaway resistance problem there still are no rules. While the CDC and other agencies recommend withholding antibiotics for all but proven use, you will still find doctors able to routinely write prescriptions 'just in case'.
CDC = Centers for Disease CREATION
This is where the REAL science is taking place, at taxpayer expense. Bioweapon factories are being constructed in every major city, even in hurricane zones like Galveston TX and New Orleans, in addition to bioweapons labs in every govt university. "Vaccines" use "technology" from 3,000 years ago in ancient Egypt, so it's hardly hi-tech to rub pus in an open wound. Nor is it a wise thing to do. That's how you SPREAD infection - it's not a "homeopathic-type" cure.
Medevil (sp) royalty used bioweapons in warfare by launching diseased carcasses with catapults, and poisoning water supplies of cities under seige. British Empire used bioweapons against Native Americans, by giving them fleas infected with smallpox in blankets, at the reservation Death Camps. Fleas, ticks, and mosquitos (living needles and syringes with wings and legs and natural intelligence) are raised in US bioweapons labs by US, Canadian and British Gangsta Govts, and are routinely released in USA in order to spread bioweaponized diseases TO KILL LARGE NUMBERS OF AMERICANS.
The best cure for infectious diseases is clean water and clean hands and flushing toilets. THAT'S what lowered death rates in the past 100 years, NOT "vaccines".
Medical doctors STILL rarely wash their hands from patient to patient, or toilet to patient, just like restaurant employees (even the most expensive dining destinations). When was the last time you saw a doc wear rubber gloves? Docs are dropping dead from allergies to talc powder in latex gloves, so they just quit using them.
Eat a diet high in silver and garlic if you REALLY want "innoculation" from infectious disease, like the elite have done for 1,000s of years. And lots of fresh fruits with Vitamin-C. That's why British sailors were called Limeys, because they ate limes to prevent Scurvy. Scurvy is still epidemic in USA, and kills at least 30,000 Americans/year just by "flu", since hemoraggic infections kill by Scurvy.
When you check in to a hospital Death Camp, their "nutricianists" serve you Aspartame in DIEt COCAine-cola (phosphoric ACID), not fresh-squeezed orange juice from 5 organic oranges (minerals = ALKALINE = pain control).
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Originally posted by rue:Quote:Fletch2
It's a question. How many uninsured are you willing to kill for ideological purity?
Well, somebody's gotta be first even if it's not Mass.
It doesn't prevent me from standing on the sidelines, pointing my finger and laughing at Mass for being too chicken-sh*t to do what's necessary.
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
Reality of politics is that you work with what you have not what you'd wish for. Mass, may have tried the "none chicken sh*t" option but if it doesnt pass then it doesnt help anyone. Socialised medicine in Europe didn't happen because one ort other political party had an idea and somehow magic happened. It came about because there was a huge groundswell of public support for the idea of a kind I'm just not seeing here. It also comes with a price tag -- that is that government literally decides who lives and who dies --- do you think that folks like PN who doesnt even believe that the government has a right to deny him a drivers licence is going to want that kind of intrusion?
If something really terrible happened here, like a pandemic or an asteroid taking out New Jersey (though that isnt so terrible) THEN maybe. Otherwise not enough of your countrymen would go for the idea.,..... sorry.
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PN,
Again, I agree with some of what you say. The biggest advances in human health came from sewage treatment and clean drinking water. The biggest advances to most of the world today would come from clean water if people could get it. So various private groups go about teaching African and Indian women how to filter drinking water through layers of cloth. And other groups try to reduce stream pollution w/ human sewage and reduce parasitism.
And it is certainly true that disease was historically often used as a weapon. (It is also true that environmental degradation was used - for example, the Spanish released pigs and goats to denude the Aztec environment. It used to be a fertile jungle - now it is the Mexico city plateau.)
It is not true that vaccines are more deadly than the diseases they prevent. Is IS true that vaccines could be made safer than they are now - acellular, w/out thimersol. I also believe vaccines could be administered in a graded series for better effectiveness and safety - acellular components, killed organisms, attenuated organisms.
"Bioweapon factories are being constructed in every major city." To what are you referring?
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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Fletch2
Quote:HA HA HA HA - I enjoyed that. Poor NJ though - they don't get no respect.
or an asteroid taking out New Jersey (though that isn't so terrible)
Well, there is a groundswell of unfocused grumbling. The people near either border are the first. Those going to Canada for meds and those going to Mexico for medical care know at least there is an alternative.
You won't hear anything about it under this administration. It'll be buried and never make the news. It doesn't mean it isn't happening.
Personally, I want to see the admin get everything it wants. Cutbacks in Medicare/ Medicaid, cutbacks in VA care, a nice boondoggle prescription plan, fewer and fewer people insured, the inability to get out from under medically-driven financial ruin with bankruptcy, the politicisation of science at the CDC, FDA and NIH, and before you know it the elimination of malpractice lawsuits. YEAH! Right on!
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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Originally posted by rue:
I realize I'm arguing against a powerful ideology...
Agreed. But you must also admit that you're arguing from a powerful ideology. That fact that it's the unstated ideology of our times, that its commonly accepted as 'the way things are', doesn't make it right. If the way things are was going well, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Utlimately it doesn't matter because, as I've said, my ideas aren't even on the radar. Maybe that's because that's they are without merit. But maybe it's because those running the show have nothing to gain from consumers having real choice.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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