The Matrix Revolutions *SPOILERS*
POSTED BY: SpaceAngler
UPDATED: Thursday, November 20, 2003 05:02
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Originally posted by IamJacksUsername:
Sarahetc, see the disturbing [url= http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sati&r=67]entry for "sati" in the American heritage dictionary 4[/url], from the disturbing story of the daughter of Prasuti and Daksha.
When looking it up I did start to notice it as a variant of suttee and got upset and stopped looking. I haven't been able to find a way to connect the word to that particular meaning, tho.
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I can normally handle non-consistent internal structure (it is a sci-fi film, not an sf book after all), and the rich symbolism didn't make up for the glaring plot holes.
What did you think those plot holes were? The only two I could think of at all were the Oracle's explanation of how Neo worked in the matrix without jacking in and how we left Seraph and Sati under attack by Smiths but then they just turned up okay.
Everything else I feel like I can work out a pretty satisfactory explanation for.
I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case
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SATI is also the name of an Indian Technology School, btw.
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"Can he, you know, chase us? Because I know if I woke up looking like that, I'd just run towards the nearest living thing, and then kill it." ~Aqua Teen Hunger Force
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Here are my two cents: Revolutions sucked. Utterly sucked. I honestly think that the directors discovered religion and completly rewrote the 3rd movie from the original script to try and teach Eastern Religion 101.
This is how I would assume the 3rd movie was originally written: No one was ever freed from the Matrix. Zion is merely a second matrix for the 1 percent of the population that would not accept the Matrix, as mentioned by the Architect. Neo eventually realizes this and frees himself and others from the "Zion Matirx" and the movie ends with Neo and others entering into the real world.
Evidence that Zion is still part of the Matrix can be seen in the Councilman's speach about machines to Neo in Reloaded when he mentions he feels he is still "plugged in." This would explain why Neo would be able to stop squiddies, bring Trinity back to life and for Smith to hack into Zion. The Architect's claim of 5 other Zions and Neos would make much more sense if he was talking about a second Matrix which was still plugged in but too close to undertanding the truth otherwise ehy even bother to free people to start it again? Unless it was a safety net to keep all the people who rejected the original matrix under control and still plugged in. Remember that the machines were cool, caluculating and efficient. (at least until they began teaching Hindu philosophy in subway stations)
Now here are my major complaints from movie #3:
If a hovership can break through the cloud barrier why can't the machines?
If the cloud barrier provides enough electricity to knock the power out of a hovership why don't the machines build a huge lighting rod?
Why don't the machines use geo-thermal energy as a power source if they can drill that deeply?
Finally, if you have an underground nest of hornets do you drill down to it and shoot each one or do you just fumigate the nest? You would think the Machines after having done this 5 times would just send down a lethal dose of radiation or some mustard gas.
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"Societies are supported by human activity, therefore they are constantly threatened by the human facts of self-intrest and stupidity." --Peter Berger
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If the original idea was to have a "Matrix in a Matrix", then i'm glad they changed it. It's a stupid cop-out, and i'd be pissed. Now about your questions,
A) The Hovership and the Sentinels lost power. However, because the ship was bigger and moving faster, the law of inertia allowed it to pierce the cloud barrier.
B & C) Because humans are a much more efficient power source, and they don't require a lot of silly-ass lightning rods or a big hole.
D) Good point. I don't know if they had the materials for mustard gas, but they could easily radiate Zion, however then i'd be unusable and the cycle couldn't continue.
Hope that helps.
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"Can he, you know, chase us? Because I know if I woke up looking like that, I'd just run towards the nearest living thing, and then kill it." ~Aqua Teen Hunger Force
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LOL, we will have to disagree on a matrix in a matrix being a cop out vs a mind-f**k.
Now onto your answers A,B & C.
A. a hover craft is not designed to go that high, at least from what I have seen. However, it would not be that hard to design something that could.
B&C. Putting up a metal pole to a battery pack is less efficeint than programming, running, suerveying and protecting an on line world with billions of users while simultaniously dealing with constant hacker attacks from people who have rejected this MMORPG? LOL, I think not. But hey to each their own. If you liked the ending all the more power to you. They are even showing it here at IMAX if that would make your day.
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"Societies are supported by human activity, therefore they are constantly threatened by the human facts of self-intrest and stupidity." --Peter Berger
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Ummm...pole and battery pack? Sorry, but lightning isn't something that can easily be harnessed. WAY too high a voltage and relatively low amperage. Any electrical system (including a battery) that you would hook up to said lightning rod would INSTANTLY detonate from the INCREDIBLE voltage applied. To put it into perspective, it requires 10k volts to jump across a gap of ONE INCH. To reach the ground from 1000 feet, or 12,000 inches, the voltage would have to be roughly 120 MILLION volts. Ow. There is no electrical system in the world (only in the most BLATANTLY magical fantasy or scifi settings) that could handle that. And thats just from a low ceiling of 1k feet thunderhead. Granted, that figure is from normal dry air, not counting on whatever particles are floating about. But even if it dropped the required voltage to one tenth (1kV per inch), that would still require 12 million volts at 1000 feet. Again, ow. The earth handles the strike because it is somewhat big. Oh, when you see in the news where someone got hit by lightning and survived, congratulate them. They are very, very lucky.
Jayne: "How big a room?"
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Oh, and the bit about geo-thermal energy. Have no clue why the machines didn't use that power source. Or the dozens of other potential power sources. But you could make a case for them wanting a little payback, not all of them are cold and calculating. Some may have wanted some sort of punishment, and came up with this twisted form of irony. Some may have also wanted a way to preserve humanity in some form as a reminder of the past. Some machines were capable of such emotions in the flick, could they have wanted humans for such reasons? Maybe, I have seen humans go out of their way to punish another, even so far as to "cut their nose off to spite their face."
Any thoughts on the payback factor?
Jayne: "How big a room?"
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Crap...last one I swear.
As for the hovercraft, who knows what they are capable of? I haven't noticed too many around today to get a comparison of. The bit where Trinity power climbs up and shoots through the cloud cover with inertia is very possible. But really isn't likely to shoot out as far as they did toward the city. Only hang up there, but not that hard to suspend disbelief on.
Jayne: "How big a room?"
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A Matrix in a Matrix would be a little too simple. Something deeper, perhaps. But it would explain what Neo was seeing after he was blinded. I'm sorry, but that looked like code to me.
As for Neo jacking in so the machines could delete him after Smith possessed him, yeah, that makes sense. But it's still not explained why he could have jacked in without aid.
JK
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Neo wasn't seeing code: It was his inner vision. His "third eye." Yet another Hindu and Budhist concept(Blind man who truly sees crap) which the directors shoved in the movie.
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