The Matrix Revolutions *SPOILERS*
POSTED BY: SpaceAngler
UPDATED: Thursday, November 20, 2003 05:02
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I have to admit my own density here. I was and still am of the opinion that Smith was inside the Matrix. Where and when did we find out that his program exists outside the matrix?
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Originally posted by JK:
Questions left unanswered or, worse, answered in the stupidest manner possible (how can Neo do those things in the real world? The power of the One stretches from him to the Source. What kind of answer is that?)
JK
Like the ships man! He's got so much hardware in his body (old interfaces from his dayin the creche) he's simply hooked up via wireless network!
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Originally posted by ManiacNumberOne:
I have to admit my own density here. I was and still am of the opinion that Smith was inside the Matrix. Where and when did we find out that his program exists outside the matrix?
Smith downloaded a copy of himself into the brain of Bane (they other guy lying on the slab next to Neo in the beginning)
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Originally posted by ManiacNumberOne:
I have to admit my own density here. I was and still am of the opinion that Smith was inside the Matrix. Where and when did we find out that his program exists outside the matrix?
Smith downloaded a copy of himself into the brain of Bane (they other guy lying on the slab next to Neo in the beginning)
ahhh yes, I remember that. I was thinking y'all meant that the Smith that we see in the Matrix was also outside of the matrix. I understand that he was in the body of that guy Bane, but I supposed that you meant the Smith character was also outside that Matrix in his regular Smith body too. Confusion alleviated.
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I loved this movie. I liked it more than the second one, and that one had a lot of luvin' there as well. The big issue I am seeing people have with the movie is that it's not the same as the first one. The only person I have read about saying differently is some critic that I don't believe actually watched the movie he critiqued. All three movies tell a story. The first was the beginning of the story, the second is the middle, and the third is the finale. Taken as a whole, the movie works quite well. I think that may be the real problem folks have with the Matrix movies; they are not self-contained stories. They also require you to think about every aspect of the story. What has gone before has an impact upon what happens now.
When someone said Neo was hooked up wireless, I think they're right. Great story, well worth my money.
Jayne: "How big a room?"
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It was a lot more interesting than Reloaded. The fire fight on the dock was really great. But two things got on my nerves, the fact that Neo and Trinity didn't recognize Smith when everyone in the audience did and twice Neo called Trinity Trin (that just annoyed the hell out of me). I think Reloaded was a collection of footage they had shot and didn't want to waste, no plot just fights that went on for way too long. Revolutions was better but still not as interesting as the Matrix.
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I'm sorry, but a wireless connection explains nothing, since Neo's power as the One should be logically limited to the Matrix. It's really just a result of him being able to realise that the Matrix is not real. Other rebels, while intellectually knowing this, cannot help but still be partially convinced on some deeper level that what they're seeing and touching and smelling is real. Thus, they don't have the power of the One.
Besides, this still leaves the problem of how Neo could see (and see only machines, at that), why he had to jack in to fight Smith (he'd already learnt to enter the Matrix without jacking in), the fact that the so-called peace won't last five minutes, and the fact that the film was generally poo.
JK
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Originally posted by JK:
Besides, this still leaves the problem of how Neo could see (and see only machines, at that), why he had to jack in to fight Smith (he'd already learnt to enter the Matrix without jacking in), the fact that the so-called peace won't last five minutes, and the fact that the film was generally poo.
JK
I took the jacking in at the end to mean that Neo was working with an had the support of the Deus Ex Machina and was therefore working both for the humans and the machines against Smith. Though he could have transcended the process and gone wifi (?) the process allowed him more power and perhaps proved to the machine world that the human savior was indeed fighting for peace, not for dominance.
As for the rest of your commentary, doesn't give much for the rest of us to go on.
I thought that Revolutions resonated with theme, chiseling down the main points of the previous two into the single phrase: everything that has a beginning has an end. If the fundamental questions of existence boil down to this duality and all other philosophical pursuits are echoes, remaining dual, then I think this film did well do answer as much as it did.
In this manner, beginning and ending the movie with Sati, who--from what very, very, very little I know about Hindu cosmology represents the love of a wife and the triumph of good over evil (maybe... still learning)--was profound. Despite all the information that led to the finale, and the piles and piles of semantic mumbo-jumbo (remember: the Architect never answered the question), there was still only once choice for each side. Holding on to this duality, the machines have a binary choice: kill this way, or kill this other way. The humans have the same choice inverted: survive this way, or survive another way. Only Neo acts outside the binary paradigm, as he could choose to stop acting altogether. But because he refuses to stop fighting, an important choice by itself, he forces the machines to adopt the choice set of the humans: survive.
As for the peace lasting, you may very well be right and you may very well be wrong. What I took away from the final scene was that the Matrix has evolved to a higher (better?) version, making it more efficient and, as we saw with the sky, more geared toward humans. If Sati can exist as a "useless" program (I think she's a screensaver) then we are to believe that the Matrix itself has undergone a fairly radical revision.
I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case
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I remember reading some guy's theory about why they jacked in Neo to fight Smith. Smith was so dangerous because there was no way to control him. By plugging Neo into the machine core and then letting Agent Smith take him over, Smith is in Neo, who's connected to the machines. Get it? Then they just send the big electrocution (whatever the hell you'd call it) through Neo, killing all the Smiths.
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Sarahetc, see the disturbing entry for "sati" in the American heritage dictionary 4 at < http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sati>, from the disturbing story of the daughter of Prasuti and Daksha.
I really liked M1, thought M2 was okay, but didn't like M3 - and find it strange that Fireflies would: the reason I like FF is because of the good writing, and M3 had a rather poor script with very weak dialog.
*Spoilers*
I have no problem with the co-operative ending (nicely foreshadowed in M2), nor with what happens to Neo and Trinity; it's the writing that completely put me off. I can normally handle non-consistent internal structure (it is a sci-fi film, not an sf book after all), but the plot holes were glaring.
I did like the rich symbolism tho.
Oh, and it was nice to see Zoë again :).
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