Why Wash is 100% alive and mostly well.
POSTED BY: pastorbadger
UPDATED: Thursday, November 22, 2007 09:57
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Originally posted by Kizyr:
That much is true; it's actually opened up a nice area for Serenity RPG players to fill in. The RPG book, at least, mentions that grav fields might be hard to set up, but are pretty cheap to keep going (hence why hovermules are decently economical).
Hmmmmm... planet wide gravitational fields would bring an interesting element into a role playing game. Must try to read that Serenity RPG book thingy sometime... I hear it's pretty good...
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I mean, fifty years ago we were pretty good with figuring what kind of technology was cutting-edge. But, how many people would've figured that by 2005 we'd have widespread cellphone and internet usage? Meanwhile, I'm thinking that a fair amount of people in 1969 would've figured that by now we'd have landed a man on Mars. So yeah, predicting technology can get iffy.
Yes, there are many forms of technology that just can't be predicted, they seem to spring out of unexpected places. Kinda like evolution... these things have a life of their own.
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But, I got enough faith in Joss and Tim to do it right, realistic-wise or plot-wise, if they do it at all. KF
Yeppers. If they were to tackle this, and I think it would be a fascinating challenge for a storyteller to do it brilliantly, then it would really be somethin' to see.
But if Tim did it, he'd just bring Wash back so he could kill 'im again...
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Originally posted by Agatsu:
Well, I think both Monty Python quotes fit the situation in their own way. "THIS IS AN EX-PILOT!" is an excellent tool to crush the futile hopes of optimistic Wash-Lovers (which is exactly what I needed it for), while "BRING OUT YOUR DEAD!" reflects the audience's feelings towards yet another "I didn't REALLY die in the last movie."-Scenario.
You don't have to disagree that Wash has to stay dead, because I would prefer him alive as well (yet in a wheelchair to damp down on the happy-happy.). I just ASSUME that Wash is gonna stay dead, but to be honest, it's not really in my jurisdiction.
And about Zoe... what else would you do with her now that Wash is gone?
Let me rephrase that.
In which direction could her character go that still keeps her interesting?
I see what you mean about the duality of the Monty Python metaphors. And that concerns me...deeply. lol
As for what I want to happen and what I think will happen, I'll take both positions. (You should always stretch before attempting this.) I'm a firm "E" in the poll, but I wish I could envision any scenario that allowed FOX to restart production or to abandon the rights.
This would require that the FOX exec who screwed up so badly on Buffy to admit that he did exactly the same thing again (despite all attempts to bury the evidence) with Firefly, only with a contractual safety net this time.
Has anybody ever known ANY exec at ANY level in ANY industry admit he was wrong and take his lumps? This putative exec just better hope that his name doesn’t become public. Do you know any other series’ support base for whom a duster and a Winchester is fan couture? ;)
Oh, as for the Alice metaphor: You worked very hard to connect those dots. I say “Bravo and up the dosage!”
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One day, when we get our Big Damn Sequel or a revival of the series, and Wash is still quite dead, I see many heads exploding.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by Storymark:
One day, when we get our Big Damn Sequel or a revival of the series, and Wash is still quite dead, I see many heads exploding.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
You believe we WILL get a revival or sequel, but DON'T belive Wash will return? Friend, you need to come into the shop to have your pessimism rotated.
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They could pull the old gag that was used on Arrested Development and have Wash's "twin brother" show up. And Zoe could say "I don't like him."
If wishes were horses, we'd all be eatin' steak.
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Originally posted by pastorbadger:Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
One day, when we get our Big Damn Sequel or a revival of the series, and Wash is still quite dead, I see many heads exploding.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
You believe we WILL get a revival or sequel, but DON'T belive Wash will return? Friend, you need to come into the shop to have your pessimism rotated.
Why? I've seen less-than-mega-hit movies get sequels. I've never seen a guy who got impaled throught the chest buy a pole several inches wide, survive. Especially when they've been left there to bleed out for a good 20 minutes or so, in a 'verse run by a guy who's said people won't come back from the dead in that particualr 'verse.
A sequel (which I feel is more likely than a series revival) is wishfull thinking to a degree, I'll admit. But thinking Wash is still alive is strictly denial.
And to clarify, I didn't say he wouldn't return. There are other options: flashbacks, ghosts, ect. (not that I'm terribly fond of those ideas). I just don't see any plausible way for Wash to have survived what was obviosly a very fatal wound.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by zorprime01:
They could pull the old gag that was used on Arrested Development and have Wash's "twin brother" show up. And Zoe could say "I don't like him."
ROFL! Hey, that reminds me: all those nattering nabobs of negativism who say it would be hoakey to bring Wash back by cloning him...who says cloning isn't a hobby on Shadow, and the Wash signed on with Serenity because he WAS the clone? We lost Wash prime in the movie.
Nah... Still hoakey. Funny though. ;)
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Originally posted by Storymark:
I've never seen a guy who got impaled throught the chest buy a pole several inches wide, survive. Especially when they've been left there to bleed out for a good 20 minutes or so, in a 'verse run by a guy who's said people won't come back from the dead in that particualr 'verse.
Uhm...they buried Spock! Cap't Sheridan was dead for days. Obi Wan was bisected by a light sabre and then disintigrated. Danial Jackson turned into Tinkerbelle and vanished. O.K., so no telephone pole-sized fleschettes, but seriously, no precident? Read the whole thread. I challenged you to name a science fiction series where they DIDN'T bring someone back from certain death!
And as for Joss saying "I'll never bring 'em back from the dead". I point you to the fourth Indiana Jones movie currently in production... Never believe "never" from the lips of anyone in Hollywood.
"That word you keep saying...I do not think it means what you think it means." Inigo Montoya
If you've never seen these things, then all you've ever seen is Serenity. Amazing things, those moving pictures, eh?
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Remember when Joss kept saying, "HES DEAD"
yeah I think hes dead
btw, I didn't read it, wayyyyyy too long :D
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Was reading the thread...and about halfway through...something occured to me...
Shortly after everybody left, feds vs. Reavers on Serenity. Somebody (fed) shot a coolant pipe somewhere (engene room). Freezing white stuff came out, Froze the whole ship over, including Wash...who, while dead, had his nural functions frozen in the four minutes before they would have stopped. (For the record, I'm getting the majority of this from the Artemis Fowl books...Dear God, I just compared Wash to Butler)
Feds find Wash, feds take Wash. Wash gets better in core hospital...
and I'll leave the rest to Joss.
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