Jill Carroll
POSTED BY: Zisker
UPDATED: Thursday, April 6, 2006 04:56
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Originally posted by cartoon:
Well, I think that the comment that the U.S. didn't do anything to help Miss Carroll's release was totally inappropriate, myself. Some folks just like dumping on the U.S.
Take a look at how Causal responded for a glimpse at how Sky SHOULD have responded. Causal was short with him but still addressed his argument, which is what should have happened. But if you want to argue whether people who are hard on the administration hate this country, then in the words of the movie I'm watching, "I'm your Huckleberry."
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Some people just like to badmouth the U.S. at any opportunity -- and even invent opportunites when one doesn't conveniently lend itself to the situation.
So, I'm not going to shed any tears over a somewhat hostile reaction to a person who loathes this country by someone who obviously appreciates what we have here.
Was the original comment out of line? Maybe yes, maybe no, that's for a debate to decide, and Causal took it to him pretty good. But who the hell are you to decide who does or does not love their country? How the hell do you know? Answer: You don't, and have heard so many of Fox's talking points that you can no longer think for yourself. Some people - the vast majority even - are critical because they love their country, not the other way around.
Just being grateful to be an American doesn't make you a good one. I could say that blindly supporting whatever kool-aid points you're being spoon-fed makes you just as bad if not worse than any government critic out there. Every American should be critical of his (or her) government and how that government uses its armed forces. The day has already arrived that the Texan from New Haven has cost us respect and allies around the world that we'd be better off having. Adding to that the domestic
-ups, I'm baffled that the SOB still has people that think he's "doing a heckuva job."So go right ahead and tell someone how they aren't a good American. Just remember how the old saying begins -
"First they came for the Catholics, but I wasn't a Catholic, so I said nothing...."
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Originally posted by Skywalken:
Ah, another person who wants to lick Saddam Hussein's ass.
Jonus, you just have to accept that your lover is locked up and on trial for his atrocities. I'm sure you will eventually get to make love to him in hell.
Wow. That was just slightly uncalled for. I wasn't aware that personal attacks are the appropriate response when someone says something that you don't agree with.
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So, I'm not going to shed any tears over a somewhat hostile reaction to a person who loathes this country by someone who obviously appreciates what we have here.
I'll admit that I don't know Jonus's personal feelings about this country or history on this board, but it is possible to loathe the current administration while still appreciating this country.
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Quote:So.. dumping on any particular administration or it's actions is dumping on the U.S.?
Originally posted by cartoon:
Some folks just like dumping on the U.S.
Some people just like to badmouth the U.S. at any opportunity
Remind me never to have a tumor removed if I should ever develope one, that might be too anti-me.
Love my country Chrisisall
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Quote:Thaatsh righht, Schaggeey!
Originally posted by Causal:
What--you thought that you could just say, "Let's go get her, gang!", then hop in the Mystery Machine and rescue the poor thing?
lol, you made your point hard, but you made it. I must agree, Causal.
Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
So.. dumping on any particular administration or it's actions is dumping on the U.S.?
Anyone who read Jonus's initial remarks who doesn't think he was dumping on the U.S. certainly needs a course in reading comprehension.
But, then I know better than to expect anyone to think that such remarks as..."The US didn't do shit to release her. I guess rescuing hostages is just too much on top of invading a country and dropping bombs on it" isn't dumping on the U.S.
Maybe, I'm the one who needs the reading comprehension lessons.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Thaatsh righht, Schaggeey!
Originally posted by Causal:
What--you thought that you could just say, "Let's go get her, gang!", then hop in the Mystery Machine and rescue the poor thing?
lol, you made your point hard, but you made it. I must agree, Causal.
Chrisisall
My apologies to all (with a possible exception) if I came across as excessively harsh. As a former military man with 10 years of intelligence experience and 4 of special operations experience, with combat tours in Afghanistan and Iraq, I can not stand people running at the mouth about a subject of which they have absolutely no knowledge. Say anything you want about the politics of the war (I'm ambivalent myself), but don't go to criticizing the ground-level execution of the thing. Until you know what a man looks like through the sights of a gun, you really don't know what combat is like.
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*sigh* See, this is what I was hoping would not happen. Are people so divided or jaded or cynic or what have you these days that we can't just find some small amount of good in the fact that someone had a happy (relative, of course) ending?
Regardless of whether or not the US played a role in the release (Honestly, I couldn't care less) or what she said while in captivity (if I was a captured civilian I'd say whatever the heck they asked too) - can't we just go "Oh, hey, she didn't have her head hacked off like some of other journalists in the past. Hey, she's back with her family - isn't that nice?"
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Quote:Okay, let's pick the nit. "The US", in this discussion, cannot possibly mean the entire country, all of it's citizens, and all real estate, art, literature, YMCA's, and fire hydrants.
Originally posted by cartoon:
"The US "
Maybe, I'm the one who needs the reading comprehension lessons.
It must obviously mean those who control the U.S. military.
K?
Chrisisall
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Quote:Not harsh, just forceful.
Originally posted by Causal:
if I came across as excessively harsh.
It's what we do on RWED, darlin'.
It's what we do.
We need reality checks here every so.
Chrisisall
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I think I've indicated who and what Cartoon is a number of times before.
You'll all see it for yourselves though.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity. But I know none, and therefore am no beast.
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