'V' for copying Serenity
POSTED BY: dog13000
UPDATED: Monday, April 3, 2006 13:11
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Lost Boys, great flic. Gotta love any movie that has Jack Bauer, Bill S. Preston Esquire, and the two Coreys.
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Thanks for the follow up, guess my memory hasn't failed too badly. Haven't watched Lost Boys in a while. Did watch Blade recently and the line occurs just like I thought.
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V for Vendetta was a graphic novel (that they released in sections, ie: comics) long before Firefly was out, but the movie changed a lot. That whole scene where V attacks those guys and kills them before they reload is not in the book. Do I think that V for Vendetta copied Serenity? No, not at all.
Alan Moore doesn't attatch his name to any movies based on his work, as a rule. If you want to know how it should be, read it. I guess that's his whole thing.
I just see a lot of argument, and I thought I'd throw my two cents in there. I think it's a stretch to compare it to Serenity, a big one, that I think people just want there to be, but it isn't there.
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Ok, so i havn't decided if i like this movie or not. Mostly cuz i'm not sure if those frakking Wachowski brothers, horribly butched a good comic(or graphic novel , whichever you prefer), just like they did to the Matrix.
Also, looking at how they stole things for their last movies, i think there is a good chance they stole things from recent movies, and such. Also there are to many paralells with current events to just be coincedence.
I'd really like to read the comics to come up with my own conclusion as to if it was good or not.
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umm, well, the movie is quite a bit different than the book. they changed it to make it apply more to modern times, in the book, the government is more like nazi germany, with no gays, nob minorities, death camps, and so on. religion also plays a bigger part.
i don't see why you have to read the comic to see whether or not you thought it was a good movie. you can see how faithful it is, and stuff like that, but if it's a good movie, you should know before you go in and check the background stuff.
but they did a lot of things to make the story a lot more... movie like (?). if they would have just copied the book over exactly, it would have been a very boring movie.
the movie does keep the same spirit and feel that the book does, but it does it with more flash and style.
i found the movie to be a lot easier to relate to than when i read it, because our government is a lot closer to the one in the movie than death camps and "ethnic cleansing".
so, what one do i like better? i'm not sure, they're two very different animals, but at the same time, very similar. i think that they're both good, but i don't see myself reading it more than a few times.
and if you show an interest in graphic novels after this movie (like a few of my friends have), i don't suggest starting with V for Vendetta, it'll come off as quite boring.
Start with Watchmen, but then again, after that, everything else will seem like complete garbage (The Dark Knight Returns excluded)
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Has anyone else noticed the amount of uninformed morons out there thinking that this movie is equating the Fascist regime in the movie with the Bush administration? I even heard someone refer to the T.V. Propaganda guy (I forget his name, just that his nickname in the comic was "The Voice") as a parallel to FOX News. Considering what a main role he played in a 1980's comic, I find it hard to believe he was based off of the FOX News Network.
There's been a whole lot more from what I've seen and heard, too. People are takings stuff that was in the original graphic novel and talking about it like it was put in the movie to attack Bush. I for one cannot even believe so many people liked the movie at all, but it's even more annoying when the reasons they give are based off of totally inaccurate ascertains as to the intention of the film.
To me, it's speaking volumes about how baseless the hate people have for Bush is. I'm not talking about people who disagree with him or dislike him, or even those who say they flat out hate him, but those morons out there who have an absolute vehement hatred for him, who can't go a single day without giving a speech about how horrible he is... can they find nothing better to do with their time than look for insults in a Hollywood movie? Personally, I think that if you look too hard for evil that eventually you're just going to start seeing it in places that it doesn't exist.
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Used your teeth as wire strippers?
Given yourself stitches?
Made improvised munitions with no base supplies?
Pissed in a canteen?
Gone a month without bathing?
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Quote:Umm... that was in the movie. Maybe they didn't focus on it as much, but it was all there.
Originally posted by meangoldfish:
in the book, the government is more like nazi germany, with no gays, nob minorities, death camps, and so on. religion also plays a bigger part.
Quote:Oh I know, it's ridiculous.
Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:
Has anyone else noticed the amount of uninformed morons out there thinking that this movie is equating the Fascist regime in the movie with the Bush administration?
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Originally posted by mattcoz:Quote:Umm... that was in the movie. Maybe they didn't focus on it as much, but it was all there.
Originally posted by meangoldfish:
in the book, the government is more like nazi germany, with no gays, nob minorities, death camps, and so on. religion also plays a bigger part.
yeah, it was there, but it was more like it was hinted at the whole time, it wasn't as in your face as it was in the book, which is what i meant, i guess i didn't say it clearly enough or something.
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Originally posted by Seba:
They're the exact same thing. Will Eisner just decided to start using the term graphic novel as a way to give the medium some sort of criticial merit. The vast majority of "graphic novels" are just trade paperbacks of serialized comic issues, not original long-form entities. By the way, Alan Moore, the person in question, is from one of the most revered comics writers of the past 25 years, so I'd definitely suggest picking up some of his printed material, especially before seeing Hollwood ruin them. Start with Watchmen (something else they're planning on desecrating).
I actually recommend watching the movie before reading the graphic novel/comic. People tend to regard the original as the Bible, that it should be represented exactly as it was, but like Meangoldfish said, movies and comics are two different animals. What is portrayed as subtle and carefully developed in a comic simply can't be portrayed the same way in a movie. It's like we saw in Serenity - it's a short, two-hour time span, and the development of the plot has to fit in that time. Also, the medium is different. This is a live-action film we're talking about, which can't (and shouldn't) replicate the artistic interpretation of the comics. Actually, s long as people keep all of that in mind, it shouldn't matter which they read/watch first. But you should definitely allow yourself some time before jumping into the other version.
Julia
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The line may be similar, but it's the intent behind it that separates the two.
River's "My turn" is a line that signifies her act of sacrifice, while V's "MY TURN" is more indicative of a sadistic pleasure.
Just saw V FOR VENDETTA on Friday. While it was a bit different from the original graphic novel, it still was an immensely satisfying film. I loved the ending, with Parlaiment Hill being blown up with Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture blaring over the soundtrack and Evey's last line. "He was Edmond Dantés. And he was my father, and my mother. My brother, and my friend. He was you...and me. He was all of us."
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