Why Wash is 100% alive and mostly well.
POSTED BY: pastorbadger
UPDATED: Thursday, November 22, 2007 09:57
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The only way I see this thing working is if the Alliance folk who took care of Wash were the people who were on Mr. U's planet when he was dying. No Alliance craft landed planetside when Serenity did.
That is a Reaver ship. There is no real doubt about it. Another Reaver ship, the one with the harpoons, is seen through the bridge window just after Wash is shot, with the EMPer floating right beside it, as buddies. Alliance would be disabling it; Reavers work together.
Therefore, I believe the chaps who train their guns on River came from a ship that arrived later, possible if the Operative called them in on his hunt for Mal. They took so long because they needed to fly down, land, get suited up, and try to find where the Operative called them to to be able to find River. They wouldn't really have had time to find Wash at all, unless they were ALREADY THERE, like, for instance, if they were stationed there when Mr. Universe was killed.
Ben
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It is no longer relevant whether or not it was a reaver ship, that no longer matters & I'm with PastorB *puts on his best jayne voice* STEERING COLUMN!!!!!!!!
I am NUT and I go from 
to 
in 10 seconds flat.
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Originally posted by barnaby36:
The only way I see this thing working is if the Alliance folk who took care of Wash were the people who were on Mr. U's planet when he was dying. No Alliance craft landed planetside when Serenity did.
Wow. What tongue am I speaking in?
First and foremost, thank you Guywhowantsafireflyofhisown. People on this planet, in the real world, have lived for HOURS with similar and scarier wounds. But everyone here’s just sure Wash couldn’t. Not even the 20 minutes before brain damage sets in if he’s dead as a post. (No pun intended.)
Next, if your medical degree says Wash had to get help faster than that, then how about this? The operative has already come and gone on that planet. Ain’t a reason in the ‘verse he didn’t leave a unit behind. In fact, you’ve been at the mudder’s milk if you can think otherwise. Every military unit in the real world and yours carries a medic. Heck folks, if we’re going to grasp at the ridiculous in the face of common sense, let’s just look at the hundreds of other scenarios that let Wash live, instead of making up restrictions that force him to die.
And seriously, if you can tell for dead certain that the smoodge (sic) in that frame grab is reaver, more power to ya’. Still don’t matter. (Points for tenacity, though.)
And the worst? You say “No Alliance craft landed planetside when Serenity did.” Just because the camera didn’t follow it, and because you didn’t see it, don’t make it true! The could have landed just outside your 16:9 view of the world, or during the commercial break. They were likely already there. (“Suppose we should we attack those reavers landing?” “You got orders I don’t know about? Shut up and be quiet.”)
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Originally posted by pastorbadger:
Wow. What tongue am I speaking in?
First and foremost, thank you Guywhowantsafireflyofhisown. People on this planet, in the real world, have lived for HOURS with similar and scarier wounds. But everyone here’s just sure Wash couldn’t. Not even the 20 minutes before brain damage sets in if he’s dead as a post. (No pun intended.)
Next, if your medical degree says Wash had to get help faster than that, the how about this? The operative has already come and gone on that planet. Ain’t a reason in the ‘verse he didn’t leave a unit behind. In fact, you’ve been at the mudder’s milk if you can think otherwise. Every military unit in the real world and yours carries a medic. Heck folks, if we’re going to grasp at the ridiculous in the face of common sense, let’s just look at the hundreds of other scenarios that let Wash live, instead of making up restrictions that force him to die.
And seriously, if you can tell for dead certain that the smoodge (sic) in that frame grab is reaver, more power to ya’. Still don’t matter. (Points for tenacity, though.)
And the worst? You say “No Alliance craft landed planetside when Serenity did.” Just because the camera didn’t follow it, and because you didn’t see it, don’t make it true! The could have landed just outside your 16:9 view of the world, or during the commercial break. They were likely already there. (“Suppose we should we attack those reavers landing?” “You got orders I don’t know about? Shut up and be quiet.”)
Firstly, I'm not outright disagreeing with you. You have to realize that people at these boards have had their hopes raised and crushed by things like possible resurrection of a TV series. They don't respond well to any claims along those lines now. Saying that Wash might be alive causes a similiar action, at least, from what I'm seeing.
I agree that the big O might have left a group planetside; in fact, that's pretty much the only way I'd agree with you. I really don't think many of the fleet's ships survived the aerial battle, so I don't think many would be on top of the game enough to realize that their target was going to the planet, much less care in the face of impending death-by-Reaver. Also, if there was another ship following Serenity, one so integral to the plot like this, I believe it would have been shown in at least a few frames, trailing both the EMPer and our Firefly.
Seriously, I think your Wash-is-alive theory is the best; I'd like to believe it too. If it were true, though, Joss would be the only person I'd trust to create its story. Hell, he'd do the best job. Ever. EVER!
Ben
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This is EXACTLY what I thought of to keep hope alive when I saw the movie.
Great minds think alike, and since the chances of a sequal being slim to none, (SOB!) in the second series in my own little head, this is what happened and he and Zoe are back together with the BDH, still 'flyin.
This being the same network in my head that Joel never left Cicely, Alaska and Arrested Develpment is still on.
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'Might have been on the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.
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Originally posted by DarthVegas:
This is EXACTLY what I thought of to keep hope alive when I saw the movie.
Great minds think alike, and since the chances of a sequal being slim to none, (SOB!) in the second series in my own little head, this is what happened and he and Zoe are back together with the BDH, still 'flyin.
This being the same network in my head that Joel never left Cicely, Alaska and Arrested Develpment is still on.
I'd like to swim in that Egyptian river right next to you, and say that the 58th squadron "Wildcards" survived the chig attack, and "Space, Above & Beyond" isn't just another Fox casualty. Oh, and the guys from "The Lone Gunmen" didn't sacrifice themselves in a nerve gas attack. (See a pattern here, FOX?)
Aurguing about whether it's likely Wash survived or not is just a good way to pass the time while waiting for that miracle.
Anyone else want to jump in de Nile with us? Any "Blake's 7" fans, maybe? lol
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[qoute]The memorial thing is wrong too. Sure Book's body might not be there, but we know darn sure Mr. Universe didn't up and leave. At the very least they probably burried his buffy bot if the Reavers somehow ate him. So, there were bodies to be burried. Besides I think they probably did bring Book's body onboard all Tracy style.
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Ok.. First of all .. there were bodies there. No one ate Mr Universe or his wife-bot.. or Mal couldnt have gotten back to the same hallway where everyone was layed up hurtin'. Secondly they did't bring Book's body with em Tracy style.
In the bloopers reel, Mal telling the crew after getting his big damned idea from Operative. The words were,"Zoe, you and Simon get these bodies
together."
"We got time for grave diggin cap'n?"
"Youre gunna rope em together, five or six right across the nose of the ship. Put Book front and center, he's our friend we should honor him"
"Jayne try not to steal all thier $hit. Kaylee?, go find that kid takin a dirtnap with the baby jesus, we need a hood ornament"
I believe that is a close rendition. Anyway Book came along for the ride on the nose of Serenity. Course, the only thing left of the preacher were his skinny bones, but that is beside the matter.
In the Pilot.. the EMP was NOT discussed. It was a magnetic grappel.
In short I would love for my favorite pilot to not be magically delicious and indeed be alive an kickin even with a bite or two out of his leaf on the wind. However it doesn't look good to the matter. Yes for some odd reason it was a reaver ship with an EMP.. who woulda figured.
But then again there are several other incongruancies (sp) in the movie. Like Mal telling Simon that he looks after his own and that didn't include the Doc unless he conjured it does. I only saw 3 or 4 seperate episodes in a single short season where he told the doc "You're on my crew. Why are we still discussing this?"
Jayne made mention of the same thing after his sudden and inevitable betrayal on Ariel.
It was a minor thing, but still not exactly like the series.. I assume several things were going to be different, in the need to tell the whole firefly story in such a short shot. Sucks I know LOL.
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Well now the thread has taken a turn.
Simon and River not being part of the crew? Or are they?
Ok lets try a brief and limited review.
Zoe & Wash: he flights the ship she is second in command and an extra gunhand at those times of opportunity.They get paid.
Jayne: the strong arm and 3rd gunhand in their endeavors.Hes on the payroll
Kaylee: Ships engines specialist and mechanic.A paying job.
Inara: She helps with those OFFICIAL hard to get in places. Semi-crew. Payroll-nope
Now as for Shepherd Book, Simon and River Tam. Book in a gesture was made honorary crewmember right before his death(if real) after spending some time away from the ship.Payroll-nope
Simon was in barter with Mal for the sanctuary of his sister and his Dr. services. Theres no money exchanged there. As passengers Book,Simon & River were give ships meals and bunk services. Some of these still continue(exception Serenity bank robbery where Simon asks for Rivers half of the bounty once shes back aboard ship)
So as for crew status for S&R,at the end of the Serenity movie it looked as if it was begining to happen. In the series?
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Originally posted by Eso:
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"Youre gunna rope em together, five or six right across the nose of the ship. Put Book front and center, he's our friend we should honor him"
How many times do we have to say this?! It was a freakin' JOKE! Book is NOT on the front of Serenity!
"We may experience some slight turbulence, and then... explode."
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"Steering column!"
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