Serenity's trueness to Firefly

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UPDATED: Friday, March 31, 2006 20:01
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SIMONB

Friday, March 31, 2006 3:55 PM

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Originally posted by nuclearday:

Also sort of makes sense for Simon to leave a few details secret when he's doing his explanation in the pilot. He doesn't know these people yet, so he's still playing his cards close to his vest, so to speak.

Yeah, very good point. It's also the same reason that he didn't tell them right away that River was psychic - you don't just blurt that out to people you don't know or trust when you're a wanted fugitive.

It's one of the things I love about the characters - each one has a complex history and most of them haven't shared their secrets yet, or all the details about their past.

It's just a shame that we may never know Book's past - that's something I'd like to learn more about.

- Shiny. Let's be bad guys.

That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die

NOSADSEVEN

Friday, March 31, 2006 4:19 PM

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Originally posted by nosadseven:
When I saw the title of the thread, I expected a flamebait post, and was actually surprised to find something so innocuous.

Not everyone on the boards these days was around for the Flame-Wars-of-Ought-Five, or the subsequent Troll-Hunts-of-Ought-Five. They don't carry that baggage and are probably bewildered by the way this thread has unfolded.

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
I'm also a little interested in how you think that I'm "carrying baggage".

You're carrying the baggage of the flame wars. All of us who were around at the time are. That's why I expected the orignal post to be flamebait... because all of that crap left an impression and colored my judgment of the thread title. But I've also been fortunate enough to participate in many constructive discussions of the issue (mostly on the UB with Sergeant_X), which was kind of cathartic.

And hey, I could be wrong about the original poster's intent, though I give him the benefit of the doubt since he only joined up in February. Times have changed - people generally aren't so touchy and many are blissfully ignorant, which should give us all an opportunity to just move forward.

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ZORPRIME01

Friday, March 31, 2006 4:59 PM

Of course there are discrepancies between the series and movie. It's a different medium, and there were a lot of factors involved, such as getting all the actors back, rebuilding sets, cramming about a season's worth of story into two hours, and attempting to cater two different audiences - one that already knew the basic premise and characters, and another that was seeing this 'Verse for the first time ever. That said, I think the changes Joss made were for the most part necessary due to the change in medium.

I too noticed the darker look of Serenity in the movie and slighter darker tone in general. Mal is in a different place by the time of the movie. Several months have passed, and Mal has gone to a darker place, as Joss points out in the Senenity film book interview. Book is gone, Inara is gone, and with them much of Mal's spirit to press onward. I think Serenity's darker appearance reflects Mal's change in character, and therefore find it completely appropriate.

If wishes were horses, we'd all be eatin' steak.

SIGMANUNKI

Friday, March 31, 2006 5:24 PM

@nosadseven:
That's kinda an extermely general statement you know. I would hazard to guess that most here has been in that flame war and all have been in a flame war in at some point.

I call my reaction learning from history. I call my opinion knowing what the different things (threads vs blogs) are for. I call using them for there intended purpose common sense. Perhaps this is just asking too much of people now a days.

By the by, I'm not carrying any baggage about that whole thing. I saw someone that posted something to start a "discussion" about a certain topic that is just begging for a flame war. Also at this point, since these wars are still ongoing to a certain extent, if someone is paying attention just a little bit, they should know better.

The whole baggae is your assumption, which I am really having a hard time understanding now, given my general statement about how people can't make such assumptions. Have we even exchanged posts on this forum before this thread?

Oh, and the original poster still hasn't posted. Seems to me, if the guy had any other intent besides starting something, that he'd at least have posted something by now. If even it was just something like, "Yah, kinda what nosadseven said."

But he hasn't. This makes me really skeptical about his intentions.

That all being said, we clearly disagree and don't seem to be producing any fruitful conversation. Thus, perhaps we'll discuss on some other thread.

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VERASNEWOWNER

Friday, March 31, 2006 5:41 PM

Yeah, it did stay true to the series, apart from the previously mentioned changes such as sets, costumes and hair that have been tarted up for the big screen, apart from that, it did stay true.

The Simon and River thing, now sittng in the cinema i was sure that the alliance had recaptured River between there and the series, and Simon was breaking her out, but when i thought about it, i realised that it must have been a re-vamped version for new comers. Also, on the cryo thing, whats to say River wasnt put into Cryo after the breakout, if hes going to tweak stuff like this, Joss will think of stuff like this, he can fill in loop holes, hes a fanboy geek.

I also like the little touches to the sets etc, Kaylees painted flowers around Serenity were put back, the fairy lights and door plaque and hammock were all put back, and Wash's dinosaurs were also put back in the exact formation that was in the series run after the pilot.

Guess we can rule out saying "Curse your sudden... but inevitable betrayal" to Joss at a convention about changing everything, cos to me, everything checks out.

JEDILOW

Friday, March 31, 2006 5:43 PM

sigmanuki... I've been lurking around the forums for a short time (only found out about Firefly through Serenity and all the hype surrounding it... and what got me to get off my butt and into the movie theater was Orson Scott Card's comments about it), so I have no idea about what history it may have (heck, I just registered on to post this reply)...

Please, stop carrying around all that crap. Me, as a new user, looked at this thread because I was genuinely interested in what people thought. I didn't expect to see a flame war beginning with certain people trying to push it. I don't blame the original poster for not replying - why? I wouldn't want to reply to the topic if I started it and got the response that people like you have given.

To the couple people that've actually posted something constructive - thank you. Its actually answered some questions which I was wondering (like what Simon said about River in the pilot to how he got her in the movie)... and now that I've actually seen the whole series I'm looking forward to watching the movie again (and then going through all the commentaries).

So yeah... if this turns into a flame war, I'll just disappear... and my faith in browncoats will be that much more diminished. I've come to love Serenity and Firefly (finally watched the last episode today), but if its fans are just looking to flame every new person that comes on board then I really don't want to deal with them or anything else in the 'verse.

EMBERS

Friday, March 31, 2006 5:58 PM

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Originally posted by JediLow:
sigmanuki... I've been lurking around the forums for a short time (heck, I just registered on to post this reply)...

To the couple people that've actually posted something constructive - thank you. Its actually answered some questions which I was wondering (like what Simon said about River in the pilot to how he got her in the movie)... and now that I've actually seen the whole series I'm looking forward to watching the movie again (and then going through all the commentaries).

So yeah... if this turns into a flame war, I'll just disappear... and my faith in browncoats will be that much more diminished. I've come to love Serenity and Firefly (finally watched the last episode today), but if its fans are just looking to flame every new person that comes on board then I really don't want to deal with them or anything else in the 'verse.

Welcome JediLow...
and let me assure you that flame wars are relatively rare at this site (usually they are confided to the 'Real World' section...LOL)

Personally I agree w/the original poster that 'Serenity' is an amazing film and it a true reflection of what a film based on 'Firefly' should be. Of course it is totally Joss' vision, which makes it great IMO.

Joss Whedon has remarked many times that there is a huge difference in making movies and making television:
television by it's nature is just constantly asking questions while movies must cut to the chase and answer them.

and he said that television is feminine:
all about relationships and endless talking...
while movies are masculine:
all action, in and out and it is over.

Joss Whedon could not have made a film that would have been as good as 'Serenity' if he had spent a lot of time sitting around the dinner table with the crew. I would have loved it, heck, I'd have taken 2 solid hours of the crew laughing and talking....but I don't think that that would have gotten very good reviews. And 'Serenity' did get wonderful reviews.

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watch the R. Tam Session vids: http://www.hittarivertam.nu/
and buy the 'Serenity' comics published by Dark Horse
have you checked out this thread?:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=15816

and listen to 'I'm Going To See Serenity':
http://music.podshow.com/music/listeners/artistdetails.php?BandHash=a0
c814e1229742ce77ed4497cbf4631c

NOSADSEVEN

Friday, March 31, 2006 6:34 PM

SigmaNunki- Just substitute 'history' for 'baggage', then. I wasn't trying to use the term derogatively, just descriptively, though I suppose it can be a loaded term. Didn't mean to offend! But honestly, I don't think we disagree quite as much as you think we do.

And FWIW, we've crossed paths over the last year or two, though I don't know that we've previously had an 'exchange'.

Anyway, I'll let everyone back to the original little star-crossed thread...

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SIGMANUNKI

Friday, March 31, 2006 7:57 PM

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Originally posted by JediLow:
sigmanuki...

heck, I just registered on to post this reply)...

Please, stop carrying around all that crap.

So, basically you just registered to post a reply to something that has already clearly ended and you think you're able to take some sort of high ground? You think that you are able to make it look like you aren't trying to start something? In all seriousness, you forget yourself.

Also, if you want to learn about what people think about Serenity vs Firefly, etc, there are numerous threads in the archives that go into great detail... great great detail. They are also a lot longer than the one here. There is a reason why people have stopped talking about this after all.

Also, regarding this:
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but if its fans are just looking to flame every new person that comes on board then I really don't want to deal with them or anything else in the 'verse.
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If you're serious about this, then that's just sad. How can you judge an entire communitee based on this one thread and what you call "a short time".

And if you were here for even a "short time" then you'd be aware of the great number of "thanks" threads regarding there warm welcome. Sorry, but your conjecture doesn't hold water when looked at from any angle.

Exagerate much?

Now if you want to get into some serious non-antagonistic discussion, then continue. But, don't think that you can do something like that and not be called on it.

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"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki

SIGMANUNKI

Friday, March 31, 2006 8:01 PM

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Originally posted by nosadseven:

And FWIW, we've crossed paths over the last year or two, though I don't know that we've previously had an 'exchange'.

Just meant that as, I don't remember talking to you in particular in the past. That isn't to say that we haven't seen eachothers posts on the forums, just not "direct" contact (from memory, could be wrong, lots of people here). That's all I meant.

Though we continue to disagree, I wish you the best, and hope that we are able to meet under more better circumstances next time

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"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki

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