Serenity's trueness to Firefly

POSTED BY: ACrazyIvan
UPDATED: Friday, March 31, 2006 20:01
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ROLAND19

Friday, March 31, 2006 4:30 AM

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
You're going to have to chill man. This stuff isn't something to blow a blood vessle over.

I'm chilled. It's just that I don't like that he's getting all up in my face, acting like he's better than me.

Plus, that guy's a prick.

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SIGMANUNKI

Friday, March 31, 2006 4:30 AM

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Originally posted by EvilDinosaur:

I think that's about it. Granted, that's not a whole lot of change, but at least a couple of those are pretty significant, to me at least. You are of course welcome to your opinion, just offering mine.

All very true. But, there is more on the list than that... a lot more. I've been thinking of detailing as many as I could find. But unfortunately, time is an issue.

*sigh* I miss watching my Firefly.

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SIGMANUNKI

Friday, March 31, 2006 4:33 AM

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Originally posted by Roland19:

I'm chilled. It's just that I don't like people acting like they know way more than everyone else.

Attacking someone is hardly being chilled. No matter what the cause.

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Originally posted by Roland19:

Plus, that guy's a prick.

Which guy?

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NOSADSEVEN

Friday, March 31, 2006 4:34 AM

Sigma and Roland, I think y'all are carrying your own baggage into this thread. Yes, there were repeated flame wars over that topic, and clearly you've both been burned, but my impression of Ivan's post was that he was appreciative that Serenity was a continuation of Firefly, rather than a 'reimagining'. As in, same actors, same characters, same 'verse, same enough continuity. Sure there were differences, but none so substantial that it was unrecognizable as Firefly. Considering the kind of studio interference and re-tooling that could have happened, I think that's an accomplishment well worth appreciating.

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SIGMANUNKI

Friday, March 31, 2006 4:47 AM

@nosadseven:
Pardon me, but I didn't start this thread, nor did I take the first swipe. I've tried to stay civil through the entire thing, not lashing out. So, why am I being lumped in with someone who wishes to do so simply because I'm on the recieving end?

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my impression of Ivan's post was that he was appreciative that Serenity was a continuation of Firefly
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Where I'm coming from is that threads are for discussion. If someone doesn't want to start a discussion, then they should post a blog.

Since a thread was started, it is implicite that a discussion is wanted. How has every single one of these discussions turned out? Poorly to say the least.

So, what other purpose is there for starting a discussion about a flame bait topic?

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"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki

NOSADSEVEN

Friday, March 31, 2006 6:59 AM

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
[B]@nosadseven:
Pardon me, but I didn't start this thread, nor did I take the first swipe. I've tried to stay civil through the entire thing, not lashing out. So, why am I being lumped in with someone who wishes to do so simply because I'm on the recieving end?
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Where I'm coming from is that threads are for discussion. If someone doesn't want to start a discussion, then they should post a blog.

Since a thread was started, it is implicite that a discussion is wanted. How has every single one of these discussions turned out? Poorly to say the least.

So, what other purpose is there for starting a discussion about a flame bait topic?

My point was that I don't think the first post was about what you seem to think it was about. I see no flamebait in it whatsoever.

Read the first post. If the next post said something like, "Yeah, I was so worried they were going to re-cast Tom Cruise as Mal," or, "Thank god they didn't make the Alliance into aliens or something!" would you have questioned why the original poster even posted?

When I saw the title of the thread, I expected a flamebait post, and was actually surprised to find something so innocuous.

Not everyone on the boards these days was around for the Flame-Wars-of-Ought-Five, or the subsequent Troll-Hunts-of-Ought-Five. They don't carry that baggage and are probably bewildered by the way this thread has unfolded.

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SIGMANUNKI

Friday, March 31, 2006 7:14 AM

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Originally posted by nosadseven:

They don't carry that baggage and are probably bewildered by the way this thread has unfolded.

I'm also a little interested in how you think that I'm "carrying baggage".

On a more general sociological point, I find it interesting that people think that they can assume so much of what someone else is on-line. That is, to assume someone fundamental about someone else when the evidence is superficial at best, never having met the person nor having really conversed with them before, on-line or off.

Now that is a paper I'd read.

But I digress. Back on topic.

I understand where you're coming from, though I'm not totally convinced myself. Especially since the original poster has yet to reply to this thread. Looks like this might be a, drop the bomb and run type thing. Perhaps I'm wrong though. That, is always on the table.

But, my opinion remains the same. If someone doesn't want to start a discussion, then they should post a blog. Posting a thread invites a discussion and given the volatile nature of this topic, I draw my conclusions.

Well, it's the flame bait thing, or complete ignorance. And I don't say that to be snide. I'm just saying that as a matter of fact. Ignorance is not necessarily malicious.

At any rate, I'm tired and have to wake up early again tommorow.

G'night all

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"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki

CHRISISALL

Friday, March 31, 2006 2:44 PM

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Originally posted by nosadseven:
Considering the kind of studio interference and re-tooling that could have happened, I think that's an accomplishment well worth appreciating.

In this day and age it's almost a gorram miracle.

Serenity was condensed and compacted for the big screen. It was at least a season's worth of exposition shoe-horned into one movie. Here's the math:
Firefly series episodes 15 through 22 + 2nd season divided by 15 = Serenity.

Sure it's different. Is the job y'all are doing now different than the last one ya had?

Vive la differance Chrisisall

SIMONB

Friday, March 31, 2006 3:25 PM

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Originally posted by EvilDinosaur:
Serenity was not 100% true to Firefly. I'll point out the differences.

-I think they also changed the way in which River got out of the academy. It doesn't make sense that Simon did it, were that the case Simon wouldn't have been so clueless about what was up with River.

"Haha, mine is an evil laugh."

Not to get involved in the other stuff going on in this thread - I think that was something that flared up before I came to the site, so I'm leaving well enough alone - I wanted to say that I recently rewatched the pilot and Simon states that he hired a guy to sneak River out in Cryo. So I guess for the movie, Joss needed to show River's escape rather than just start with her on the ship and having to re-explain the whole back history in lengthy exposition, and I guess showing Simon do it was a lot more exciting than some guy putting her in Cryo and smuggling her out to Simon.

Just to say, I'm also glad that (despite a few necessary tweaks due to the different medium of film) that Serenity still stayed true to Firefly. Though I too would still have rather had more series episodes in an ideal world. I guess we only have the short-sightedness of

The Fox Network to blame.

- Shiny. Let's be bad guys.

That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die

NUCLEARDAY

Friday, March 31, 2006 3:41 PM

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Originally posted by SimonB:
So I guess for the movie, Joss needed to show River's escape rather than just start with her on the ship and having to re-explain the whole back history in lengthy exposition, and I guess showing Simon do it was a lot more exciting than some guy putting her in Cryo and smuggling her out to Simon.

That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die

Yeah, I think that pretty much sums it up. If you really want to fit it all into canon, the way that I rationalize it all is this: Simon still likely needed a good deal of help, money, and luck to break River out. Likely makes sense that this underground movement helped Simon get in and out (the ship that flies over the shaft and picks them up,) and did stuff like forging his id's and getting him set with equipment, planning, etc. Also sort of makes sense for Simon to leave a few details secret when he's doing his explanation in the pilot. He doesn't know these people yet, so he's still playing his cards close to his vest, so to speak.

Oh, and love the sig, by the way. Cthulhu fhtagn!

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