Why Wash is 100% alive and mostly well.
POSTED BY: pastorbadger
UPDATED: Thursday, November 22, 2007 09:57
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Originally posted by IsaacShepherd:
After going through the posts, and re-reading the first one a few times I came up with a few things.
Alliance going in to check Serenity for any reason seems unrealistic. They can do a scan to see if anyone is there but why is there was one heat signature?
Actually I contend with almost every assertion in your post, but I snipped it because I'm all shagged out from my last diatribe. I picked the most glaring.
Alliance troops checking Serenity is unrealistic? Could it be you ain't recallin' the varied and sneaky ways the Tams have gone undetected on that boat before now? And isn't Serenity the star of this little operation?
One life sign? Did I not explain that by now there were two reavers already at the table and two more fightin' over a drumstick? (I can see now how River kills people with math.) Reavers is...was...human. They show up on a scan as sure as you or me.
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Originally posted by pastorbadger:
6) O.K., my memory is beginning to fail, but let me make a stab at an “other” category. Dr. Who dies every few years, but the most recent incarnation fits “back from the dead” best. Some of the crew of the Seaview were infected by a “spore” which reanimated their dead bodies in “Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea”. Apollo was presumed dead in “The Lost Warrior” on the “Battlestar Galactica”. In “Giant Robot”, the AI with the best sarcastic wit in television is resuscitated against impossible odds on “Lost in Space”. (Oh, jeez, I am really scraping here…) Uhm. “Blake’s 7”? “The Starlost”? “Lexx”? “Farscape”? I know it happened, just can’t remember when. Help me out here.
Ooh, ooh! I just remembered one more, "Timecop." (I didn't remember that one because I used a time machine to go back and stop myself from buying a ticket and wasting two hours of my life.)
You know, I'm going to be remembering them all day now.
The ultimate "bringing them back from the dead" 'verse? Gotta be either "Blade" or "Millenium". (Hey, I didn't say they had to be good...
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WASH LIVES, anybody who disagrees will be pushed into the engines. I don't mean to come across as harsh but with multiple theories, and a nifty diagram if I do say so myself, it is 110% guaranteed that there is a 10-15% chance he is still alive.
Kuang Zhe De 
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Originally posted by KuangZheDe:
WASH LIVES, anybody who disagrees will be pushed into the engines. I don't mean to come across as harsh but with multiple theories, and a nifty diagram if I do say so myself, it is 110% guaranteed that there is a 10-15% chance he is still alive.
Thank you, Zoe. Now, put the Winchester down.
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Originally posted by pastorbadger:
Actually I contend with almost every assertion in your post, but I snipped it because I'm all shagged out from my last diatribe. I picked the most glaring.
Alliance troops checking Serenity is unrealistic? Could it be you ain't recallin' the varied and sneaky ways the Tams have gone undetected on that boat before now? And isn't Serenity the star of this little operation?
One life sign? Did I not explain that by now there were two reavers already at the table and two more fightin' over a drumstick? (I can see now how River kills people with math.) Reavers is...was...human. They show up on a scan as sure as you or me.
Help me out with something, Pastorbadger. I'm a likeable guy, and I presume that you are, too =) Bear in mind, I'm not asserting *anything* about your theory. I've said my part on that, you responded, and that's on the table.
I want to ask, though, are you intentionally trying to assert that people that don't accept your theory are foolish? The way that you seem to be responding to everyone that questions, even just a little bit, any part of your theory is that they obviously don't get what you're saying and/or must not be capable of seeing the obvious. I'll concede for just about anyone you want that your proposal is plausible. We've all seen significantly worse scripts work around character deaths.
For criminy sake, though, the guy took a telephone pole through the solar plexus. If there's an obvious assumption, it's that he's on the outs. There are plot devices that can be used to get around that, I'll acknowledge. Your theory is one of them. I'm down with that. It's been done in just about every series in existance where main characters die, so it can be a trend. Okay. (BTW, that also kind of means it's cliche, and can work just as much to mean that it's something that Joss won't touch for the sole reason that everyone does it - see the quote about lasers and FTL travel in SciFi).
I guess all that I'm asking is not to look down so much on people that don't jump on your coattails. Maybe you don't mean to, but you really are, at least from what I see in your messages, coming off as condescending and kind of disrespectful to the discussion participants that aren't 100% behind you.
Amiton.
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I LOVE this thread. Not saying I agree but I do love it.
Would love for Wash to be alive, him being dead is really gonna mess Zoe up and Joss does have a thing for bringing the dead back to life.
Hope you're right but fear you're wrong.
Just watched BDM for the billionth time and it still shocks/surprises me when Wash gets skewered (I almost expect it to be a different ending, with Wash alive), and I still cry. My little sister thought something really bad had happened when she came in and I was sobbing uncontrolably.
Just thought I'd give my opinion since everyone else is.
Where do I sign up for Fox exec torture mission? 
'Midbulk transport, standard radion accelerator, class cod 03-K64, FireFly.'
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Is it a cliche to never use a cliche?
Kuang Zhe De
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Originally posted by Amiton:
Help me out with something, Pastorbadger. I'm a likeable guy, and I presume that you are, too =) Bear in mind, I'm not asserting *anything* about your theory. I've said my part on that, you responded, and that's on the table.
I want to ask, though, are you intentionally trying to assert that people that don't accept your theory are foolish? The way that you seem to be responding to everyone that questions, even just a little bit, any part of your theory is that they obviously don't get what you're saying and/or must not be capable of seeing the obvious. I'll concede for just about anyone you want that your proposal is plausible. We've all seen significantly worse scripts work around character deaths.
For criminy sake, though, the guy took a telephone pole through the solar plexus. If there's an obvious assumption, it's that he's on the outs. There are plot devices that can be used to get around that, I'll acknowledge. Your theory is one of them. I'm down with that. It's been done in just about every series in existance where main characters die, so it can be a trend. Okay. (BTW, that also kind of means it's cliche, and can work just as much to mean that it's something that Joss won't touch for the sole reason that everyone does it - see the quote about lasers and FTL travel in SciFi).
I guess all that I'm asking is not to look down so much on people that don't jump on your coattails. Maybe you don't mean to, but you really are, at least from what I see in your messages, coming off as condescending and kind of disrespectful to the discussion participants that aren't 100% behind you.
Amiton.
Well put. Ah, if only that were the first time I'd been so admonished on a forum.
Yes, I am quite genial in person. But I do come across as a
in a forum. (Or, guess I should say I come across as a pi ku.)Fortunately, I'm only on a couple forums. I'm not much of a poster sort of person. You folks are just lucky, I guess. ;)
It's also an occupational hazard. When I tell people to stand up or sit down, I'm unaccustomed to getting an argument.
Sorry (to everyone here) if I've been brusque.
I'll try to be a little more Browncoat and a little less Alliance.
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"Freshly dead" Suddenly I just remember The Princess Bride.
Miricle Max:It just so happens that your friend here is only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.
Inigo Montoya: What's that?
Miracle Max: Go through his clothes and look for loose change.
Wash brought back to life by the Aliiance?
INCONCEIVABLE!!
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Originally posted by SAVEWASH:
Joss is a writer. I'm not a "real" writer, but I've tried, and one thing I know is that you can't cheat your reader/viewer. He dragged us headlong through all of that disbelief, grief, shock, etc., and there would have to be an incredibly strong reason to cheapen that by bringing back the character he killed to cause that reaction in the first place. It's not fair to us to make us go through all those emotions and then laugh it off and say, "I was just foolin'." I don't think he'd do that. I think he meant it.
I'm still sad about Wash and maybe I sell Joss short: maybe he could find a brilliant way to accomplish it. I just don't know if he could find a compelling enough reason to do it.
Just my opinion.
EDIT: Besides, if Joss brought Wash back, how could we ever believe him again if he killed another character? I couldn't.
Thanks for that SAVEWASH. Exactly right. Bringing Wash back, as good as that would be, would cheapen the story. That's the way I see it.
Personally, I think Wash's spirit is tied up in that electrical energy surrounding Mr. Universe's planet and he'll communicate with the crew via radio.
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