Why Wash is 100% alive and mostly well.
POSTED BY: pastorbadger
UPDATED: Thursday, November 22, 2007 09:57
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Wow, that was pretty well-thought-out. I'll take a faint glimmer of hope, sure.
I've heard Joss in a couple interviews mention there's at least a chance at bringing back Book and Wash if he was given another run at a sequel or another series. So sure, seems feasible, if not terribly likely.
Could be an interesting story arc, as well...
Well, I guess there's only one thing left to do: kidnap all the top execs from Fox, SciFi, CW, etc and start pulling fingernails until one of them gives in to reason :)
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Originally posted by ThePistonEngine:
Alright guys, lets boil it down to the real meat of the theory, and throw the less important details to the wayside. (Like whether the ship was reaver or alliance (ahem, reaver, ahem))
Is it possible that he was impaled, fell unconscious, but survived for a couple of Alliance boots to take him out? Possible, yes. Easily so. But I say unlikely.
They Alliance boots who landed on the ground are under heavy orders to find the Tams, and stop the message. Would they search the ship? Yes. But they'd glide over his body like it was nothing. Remember Safe, when they took Book to the Cruiser Magellen? They were ready the leave him to die, and they didn't even have to take him on a shuttle, cruise him up through a raging reaver-Alliance battle, and tend to their own wounded first.
The only fact mitigating this would be a strong desire to interrogate him, which I would find it hard to speak to one way or the other.
Tristen
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Carry the Nuttin'
My, what a pessimist. O.K., here's a pessimist's scenario:
A squad enters Serenity, making certain the Tams are not in residence. Surpise! They've just been invited to dinner by a couple of reavers. Bloodshed ensues. Two Feds left standing. One says to the other, "Hey, this pilot might make it." The other answers "So?"
"Well, if we take him back to the ship for, say," wink, "interrogation, then we don't have to rejoin our unit...up with the rest of the reavers!" Long pause. "Capitol, idea. Yes," speaking distinctly, "we shall capture him and take him back for interrogation." they exchange one enthusiastic nod, completely unaware of the Stan & Ollie impression.
That sound more plausable? lol Some things are universal. LIke the C-Y-A of the F-E-Ds.
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Originally posted by nuclearday:
Wow, that was pretty well-thought-out. I'll take a faint glimmer of hope, sure.
I've heard Joss in a couple interviews mention there's at least a chance at bringing back Book and Wash if he was given another run at a sequel or another series. So sure, seems feasible, if not terribly likely.
Could be an interesting story arc, as well...
Well, I guess there's only one thing left to do: kidnap all the top execs from Fox, SciFi, CW, etc and start pulling fingernails until one of them gives in to reason :)
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You can take my hope when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.
(Waving hands wildly...) SHHHHH!!!! Don't mention the fingernail plan in public! You'll spoil the surprise.
It's going to be hard enough to get 10,000 Jayne fans in dusters to sneak up on a Fox executive, without giving away the element of surprise. (We're gonna dress 'em up as spec writers with a screenplay to push. In Hollywood, they'll be goram invisible!)
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Wow. I don't know if I have much to add here and I almost didn't post, but then I looked at my alias and thought, I have to! Ignore me if I babble on too long.
Okay, you can probably tell that I'm firmly in the camp that would love to see Wash come back. He's my fave! My heart leaped when I saw the title of this thread. I did the little dance of joy.
I agree with what's been said about how important Wash is to the Zoe/Wash relationship, which I thought was one of the best marriage depictions on TV ever. I loved Wash's quips and his ability to switch from clueless clown to fearless hero in a moment (I'm just the pilot. I'll just save the entire gorram crew, that's all.) I really, really want Wash to come back.
That being said, I don't think it will happen. (I happen to agree with the previous post that it was a Reaver ship that EMP'd them and the Alliance came later because they were busy fighting Reavers, but I didn't have time to go back and check the DVD so I could be wrong here.)
Joss is a writer. I'm not a "real" writer, but I've tried, and one thing I know is that you can't cheat your reader/viewer. He dragged us headlong through all of that disbelief, grief, shock, etc., and there would have to be an incredibly strong reason to cheapen that by bringing back the character he killed to cause that reaction in the first place. It's not fair to us to make us go through all those emotions and then laugh it off and say, "I was just foolin'." I don't think he'd do that. I think he meant it.
I'm still sad about Wash and maybe I sell Joss short: maybe he could find a brilliant way to accomplish it. I just don't know if he could find a compelling enough reason to do it.
Just my opinion.
EDIT: Besides, if Joss brought Wash back, how could we ever believe him again if he killed another character? I couldn't.
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You are a wonderful person.
a wonderful wonderful person.
you have brought joy back into my Wash-less existance.
I thank you....lots
Lola
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Originally posted by Kizyr:
I see Firefly in general as having a big departure atmosphere-wise from the rest of Whedon's business. Not knocking Buffy or Angel at all, but Firefly is supposed to be believable from the get-go; we're supposed to buy that what happens there could really happen (from small touches like no sound in space, to large ones like no FTL travel). The only stretches are River's ESP, and terraforming abilities.
Wait... Buffy and Angel aren't believable?! WTH? I like totally bought into them. My disbelief happens to be suspended pretty darn high, and is held with steel cables...
Oh, and River's ESP makes perfect sense to me. Though the terraforming is problematical. The added challenges of planet proximity/distance to the Sun, and all kinds of wacky gravitational variances based on mass aren't even addressed... but those steel cables are holding pretty tight... so I go along for the ride.
I still think that if Joss set his mind to it, he could find a way to get Wash back... and do it in such a way that it would fit in with the way things work in the 'verse.
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That's why I have a hard time seeing anything occur which isn't realistic at the very least. The only time we'd seen someone brought back from death is when they were clinically dead for under a minute (Mal in War Stories). Otherwise, folks don't come back...
Firefly/Serenity takes place 500 years from now... things that we would consider impossible now could be quite doable by then. Hey, our technology right now would be inconceivable to someone who lived in the 1500s.
Btw, I do understand your point. It's just that Wash is a great character, plus he provides a meaningful dynamic in the ensemble. The interplay between Wash and Zoe, Wash and Mal, and Wash/Zoe/Mal, is a wonderful interplay... one that still had a lot more mileage to explore.
Serenity may have marked where the story arc would have taken us by Season 3, but we didn't get all those episodes that would have led up to then. I realize that characters on Joss' shows have a tendancy to get killed from time to time, but we all got cheated from seeing so many stories from this amazing ensemble of characters.
I happen to live firmly in the camp that we'll be seeing more stories from the Firefly/Serenity 'verse... and I was kinda lookin' forward to having the characters get to tell them... ALL the characters.
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Originally posted by pastorbadger:
"Any technology, sufficiently advanced, is indistinguishable from magic." Arthur C. Clarke
Perfect!
LOVE that quote... must add it to my collection. Many thanks.
Plus, your posts, mighty entertainin' reading, well thought out, and I'm not above grabbing hope... even if it is a shred.
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After going through the posts, and re-reading the first one a few times I came up with a few things.
1st- The ship chasing Serenity had to be a Reaver ship for a few reasons. First, an EMP would be a weapon I would think a Reaver would be likely to use. Disabling an enemy instead of killing them is key for freshness. Following the theory that it is a Reaver ship it would make sense that the Reavers were right there when Serenity crash landed sticking Wash with harpoons. If the ship following Serenity was an Alliance ship would they EMP any Reaver ships near? That seems to be the biggest threat for now. Remember the look on the Operative's face when he first saw all those reaver ships? Even he is terrified of them.
2nd- Reavers were on Mal+crew's tail. Alliance going in to check Serenity for any reason seems unrealistic. They can do a scan to see if anyone is there but why is there was one heat signature? Transporting Wash with a harpoon in his chest seems a bit difficult as well. Given the urgency at the time, caring for some guy with a harpoon in his chest doesn't sound like the "charitable" alliance. Only way is if he has some amazing identcard like Shepherd Book. Pulling the harpoon out right away probably would kill him if he wasn't already dead. The amount of time he'd sit there with a harpoon in him is probably too long for medical help.
As for the gravestones, I have thought about that as well. Since I never saw any body being burried, it made me think that him living is possible. But if he is alive (or Book somehow) then I think Joss will bring him back in a way NO ONE BUT JOSS can conjure up. Either way we'll see Alan probably in a flashback, or dream but we'll see more. But inside I do hope one of these theories is right in that Wash is alive and well.
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mornin all,
First of all WELCOME to the new recruits "SHINY"
Thanks to Pastorbadger I think I counted bout 4or5 sign-ons. Great!! why be a lurker when you can put in your $0.2 and get the reaver at buffet treatment(you're the buffet)< This last part is a joke please don't take me serious.
I love threads like this it has me thinking about all kinds of new angles and yepp I can see both sides.
I think one of the things here is FEAR. That being fear of Washs return being done so badly that folks will go "Oh hell no, thats it back to the Happy Days reruns" click. Well have no FEAR,if Joss did bring Wash back I feel that it wouldn't be to near the begining of a new series and it wouldn't be like " Look guys it only went through my shirt and missed me completly.It did have the cloth pulled so tight I couldn't breath though." I think Joss is bettern that.
One other thing, Nauticalgal brought up something I hadn't considered.The "Mourning of Zoe" Washs death, the life changing event that it is, she can't be the same person. I see her as becoming a little less tolerant of Mal and maybe even "Jayne like" about his decisions.
I hope it won't be a cold day on an outter rim planet before the answers to many of these question are brought to light.
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Originally posted by zzetta13:
mornin all,
First of all WELCOME to the new recruits "SHINY"
Thanks to Pastorbadger I think I counted bout 4or5 sign-ons. Great!! why be a lurker when you can put in your $0.2 and get the reaver at buffet treatment(you're the buffet)< This last part is a joke please don't take me serious.
I love threads like this it has me thinking about all kinds of new angles and yepp I can see both sides.
I think one of the things here is FEAR. That being fear of Washs return being done so badly that folks will go "Oh hell no, thats it back to the Happy Days reruns" click. Well have no FEAR,if Joss did bring Wash back I feel that it wouldn't be to near the begining of a new series and it wouldn't be like " Look guys it only went through my shirt and missed me completly.It did have the cloth pulled so tight I couldn't breath though." I think Joss is bettern that.
One other thing, Nauticalgal brought up something I hadn't considered.The "Mourning of Zoe" Washs death, the life changing event that it is, she can't be the same person. I see her as becoming a little less tolerant of Mal and maybe even "Jayne like" about his decisions.
I hope it won't be a cold day on an outter rim planet before the answers to many of these question are brought to light.
Thank you for the compliments. And I see exactly what you mean. A small group here are actually fighting for less plausible scenarios in an apparent attempt to keep Wash dead. You can smell the fear.
It's justified though. To quote my own self: "Is it fear that we’ll end up with it “all being a dream” or a journey to the sacred MacGuffin to restore his brain, or something equally silly? Spock did it. John Sheridan did it. Colonel O’Neil did it (four times). Did Luke do it? I can’t recall."
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. Coming back from the dead is stock and trade in science fiction. I'm hard pressed to remember a 'verse where it hasn't happened. Someone help me out. Can you think of any? And, given that, doesn't that make it a forgone conclusion that Wash must come back? He has no choice but to?1) Fellow FOX victim “Space, Above & Beyond”: The entire 58th is presumed dead when they fake a distress call and only Nathan makes it back with a head wound.
2) The progenitor, “Star Trek” : Captain Kirk is slipped a Mickey during a ritual fight to the death with Spock. Not to mention a whole movie dedicated to bringing the latter back from the very, very dead.
3) Star Wars, episode VI : Luke’s dad, Obi Wan, Yoda and Elvis all appear to Luke in their now-ascended ghostly form, while the party continues with the original fuzzy-wuzzies.
4) Babylon V : Captain John Sheridan leaps down a very deep hole after triggering a passel of nuclear weapons on a ship which is hurtling right at his butt. He is brought back from “tock”, but only for twenty years. Coming back from the dead gains him cult status among the member races and convention goers.
5) Stargate, SG-1 : With several examples to choose from, I’ll pick Daniel dying in front of witnesses in the infirmary, only to appear naked in a field two seasons later after the ascended beings kicked him out, and after deciding maybe his contract wasn’t such a raw deal after all.
6) O.K., my memory is beginning to fail, but let me make a stab at an “other” category. Dr. Who dies every few years, but the most recent incarnation fits “back from the dead” best. Some of the crew of the Seaview were infected by a “spore” which reanimated their dead bodies in “Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea”. Apollo was presumed dead in “The Lost Warrior” on the “Battlestar Galactica”. In “Giant Robot”, the AI with the best sarcastic wit in television is resuscitated against impossible odds on “Lost in Space”. (Oh, jeez, I am really scraping here…) Uhm. “Blake’s 7”? “The Starlost”? “Lexx”? “Farscape”? I know it happened, just can’t remember when. Help me out here.
The worst example of all time? Superman flies very fast around the earth (what?) to turn back time
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