Where does Firefly take place?
POSTED BY: Hans
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Did anyone read my statement that theres is a post on the main site - where I asked a writer whether Firefly took place in multiple systems or not... and he said that no one really thought about it or cared, but if he had to go with an answer he said that it did.
Either A.) ther isn't an aswer - the show is just not consistant enough to give you an answer because the writers weren't concerned with this -just the plot and storylines.
or B.)
FIREFLY TAKES PLACE IN MULTIPLE SOLAR SYSTEMS.
This argument has been going on since I joined this site - can we resolve this? Would it help if I went and found the actual statement and posted it here?
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Well, it might until new browncoats inevitably find Firefly and ask the same question again. It's good to have the answer, but hard to hope that old questions never pop up again. I love having old questions re-emerge. It gives me a chance to incorporate new idea's into my knowledge base.
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Originally posted by zeke023:
Did anyone read my statement that theres is a post on the main site - where I asked a writer whether Firefly took place in multiple systems or not... and he said that no one really thought about it or cared, but if he had to go with an answer he said that it did.
Either A.) ther isn't an aswer - the show is just not consistant enough to give you an answer because the writers weren't concerned with this -just the plot and storylines.
or B.)
FIREFLY TAKES PLACE IN MULTIPLE SOLAR SYSTEMS.
This argument has been going on since I joined this site - can we resolve this? Would it help if I went and found the actual statement and posted it here?
No need to get snarky. We all saw your post. The writer himself said he didn't know the answer, and was just giving his opinion.
We are having a polite discussion about what hypothesis we think is right based on what we see on screen, that's all. For some of us, the opinions of people outside the "reality" of the show (including writers who say they don't know the answer) are interesting but secondary. If you put more faith in that, fine.
And even if the producer's never came to their own conclusion about where the show took place, there's no reason we can't...you can agree or not, just don't try to shut down the debate.
(BTW, before I started this thread I checked to make sure there were no other recent discussions about it on this board. There weren't. And with 50+ responses, it's obviously an unresolved topic...)
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Originally posted by Hans:
No need to get snarky.
(minor hijack)
But snarky is the fireflyfans.net browncoat's stock in trade!
(/minor hijack)
And like the reference to the Georgia system and stuff, who knows how they were planning to define system? When this question bogs me down, I think about Mal, in The Train Job, having just been thrown out the holographic window and calling Wash for backup with two huge planets/moons very visible over his shoulder. That's two whole other worlds, probably with their own customs and trade and everything. And if not the one they were on at the time, one of those bodies in sky is Ezra, where Mal and Wash eventually get kidnapped. That's a probably, some Niska triangulation.
System or systems, white dwarf or blue giant, NGC somethin' somethin' or the Ghost of Jupiter Nebula-- still plenty of stories.
I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case
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Originally posted by Sarahetc:
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System or systems, white dwarf or blue giant, NGC somethin' somethin' or the Ghost of Jupiter Nebula-- still plenty of stories.
Thanks for putting things in perspective...now, if only I can get that damn theme music out of my head! :)
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And even if the producer's never came to their own conclusion about where the show took place, there's no reason we can't...you can agree or not, just don't try to shut down the debate.
I don't mean to get snippy with you. I was running a firefly rpg, and this question was of no minor importance to the plot. So the "never making any progress toward a conclusion" about this debate frustrated me after a while. Sorry.
If we're going to debate this - let's address each other's comments and discuss.
First - let's not argue physics. If physics were acurate then Vira would be able to fire in a vacuum. Most modern guns have everything they need to fire in the shell(a Glock 9mm can fire in a vacuum or even under water). If many guns can do that now - how about 500 years in the future? Don't give me an argument about guns that are 500 years old being cheaper - that's bullshit. You ever try to buy a 500 year old weapon? They are priceless. So long as weapon technology just doesn't stop (which if you look at humanity is REALLY unfeasible) this doesn't make sense and so the physics of this particular world is not synonymous with our own (more than likely due to a lack of knowledge on behalf of the writers). So physics has no place in this argument. The basic gist of this is that Joss can tell the story however he damn well pleases. Planets can be way to far away from the sun and still support life; Guns can fire or not fire as he pleases; Faster that light travel can exist or not; a single solar system could have a hundred planets and still support life on all of them - real world physics do not apply! So put your text books away and focus on the script.
Second - if we're really going to argue this, let's not make anything up. Imagine what I could prove about our own world through science if I could simply make up stuff that sounded somewhat possible (I had an aquaintance that was expelled for that - they called it "data falsification") Let's stick to what we see and what we hear. That's how logical deduction works. I'm sure that the tooth fairy could be propelling the ships for all I know - but since I don't see her, I'm going to assume not.
- You never see a bianary sun in the series - odds are that's cause there isn't one.
- There are references to "systems," Planetary or Solar.
- There are several quotes based that mention "whole galaxy of earths" - and similar ones. "several solar systems away" from Book.
Anybody got anything else to add to this list?
If you want to argue against me - don't tell me what you think. That doesn't disprove my argument - you have to disprove my statements and then supply your own that logically follow in their stead.
I don't know why I feel so passionately about this issue. Maybe I'm just a geek, but I want to make some progress here.
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I belive in the multiple solar system and FTL travel. That doesnt mean that some Solar systems dont have a planet and a moon that have been terraformed. When in space Firefly uses her main engine for propulsion, but at take off and landing there are just the jets that Crawl came to know so well. This leads me to belive that the main engine is FTL.
In the RPG that I run it is a multiple solar system verse.
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Originally posted by LuxLucre:
I'm going to throw out my theory viz-a-viz the question of the spacial system in Firefly one stellar system or a number of close solar systems.
I first posted this message to the GURPS Firefly Yahoo group on Feb 9, 2003 ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GURPS-Firefly)
I think it resonable that they are talking about a single star system, and would go further in postulating that the sun may likely be a blue star, since they are the hottest and consequently have the largest habitable zone for planets.
Check this site: http://www.angelfire.com/on2/daviddarling/habzone.htm
Here are the important bits, In my opinion:
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habitable zone (HZ): An imaginary spherical shell surrounding a star throughout which the surface temperatures of any planets present might be conducive to the origin and development of life as we know it. Also referred to as the ecosphere.
The HZ of a highly luminous star would in principle be very wide, its inner margin beginning perhaps several hundred million km out [Comment: Let's say the orbit of Mars] and stretching to a distance of a billion km or more [Comment: around the orbit of Jupiter].
However, this promising scenario is spoiled by the fact that massive, bright stars are much more short-lived than their smaller, dimmer cousins. In the case of the giant O stars and B stars, these very massive objects race through their life-cycles in only a few tens of millions of years-too quickly to allow even primitive life-forms to emerge.
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The last speculation is moot in any case, seeing as we are actively terraforming planets, not waiting for them to develop life on their own. I seems to me that the habitable zone around a hot white or blue (O or B) sun would give us plenty of space to establish hundreds of planets that would support life, with no fear of their orbits crashing into each other.
Lux, that is exactly my view as well, and explains the "Blue Sun" company name. As well, moons around gas giants would explain the "hundreds" of Rim Worlds, particularly if there are six or seven Superjovian gas giants in a bigger, albeit younger solar system. Solettas can be used to focus light on each moon, thus no problem with sunlight and distance: build a bigger one to compensate the farher outsystem you are.
On a human timescale, the short-lived nature of a blue star like Rigel compared, say, with Bernard's Star or Betelgeuse is irrelevant: both will last longer than the time between ourselves and the dinosaurs.
Close enough for Alliance work.
BTW, did "Blue Sun" change its name from Halliburton or ENRON? Just askin'.
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...Hey! Who turned out the lights?"
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I think Microsoft is probably one of many companies that Blue Sun evolved from...
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