Why Wash is 100% alive and mostly well.
POSTED BY: pastorbadger
UPDATED: Thursday, November 22, 2007 09:57
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Hey, Spike was toasted to ashes and Joss brought him back with a necklace.
When a beloved character can still do great things for the storytellin', Joss will find a way to bring 'im back.
26th Century medicine could very well work a lot like magic.
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Originally posted by 11thHour:
Hey, Spike was toasted to ashes and Joss brought him back with a necklace.
When a beloved character can still do great things for the storytellin', Joss will find a way to bring 'im back.
26th Century medicine could very well work a lot like magic.
I see Firefly in general as having a big departure atmosphere-wise from the rest of Whedon's business. Not knocking Buffy or Angel at all, but Firefly is supposed to be believable from the get-go; we're supposed to buy that what happens there could really happen (from small touches like no sound in space, to large ones like no FTL travel). The only stretches are River's ESP, and terraforming abilities.
That's why I have a hard time seeing anything occur which isn't realistic at the very least. The only time we'd seen someone brought back from death is when they were clinically dead for under a minute (Mal in War Stories). Otherwise, folks don't come back...
That being said, I'm gonna add something that'll sound like I just contradict myself. Given the amount of thought you put into this, PastorBadger, this has a glimmer... a faint glimmer... of possibility. But it'd have to be done real well, else it'd depart from the entire nature of the 'verse. Fact is, I don't see how it could happen myself without delving into disbelief, but perhaps someone with more vision could.
Still, the only completely believable way I've heard so far of bringing Wash back was from someone else who floated the idea of River "talking" to him while she's in the cockpit, sort of like a psychic residue, like how you imagine conversations in your head, but more vibrant 'cause it's River. KF
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written by Zeek:
The memorial thing is wrong too. Sure Book's body might not be there, but we know darn sure Mr. Universe didn't up and leave. At the very least they probably burried his buffy bot if the Reavers somehow ate him. So, there were bodies to be burried. Besides I think they probably did bring Book's body onboard all Tracy style.
I'm betting they found Wash right where they left him. All dead.
nope sorry. there might have been a body (mr.universe's) but that doesn't mean some other bodies could not be there, Book's definately not there, so why couldn't wash not be there as well? i think at least wash's "grave" is a memorial marker
keep flyin'
EngienAngel
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Alright guys, lets boil it down to the real meat of the theory, and throw the less important details to the wayside. (Like whether the ship was reaver or alliance (ahem, reaver, ahem))
Is it possible that he was impaled, fell unconscious, but survived for a couple of Alliance boots to take him out? Possible, yes. Easily so. But I say unlikely.
They Alliance boots who landed on the ground are under heavy orders to find the Tams, and stop the message. Would they search the ship? Yes. But they'd glide over his body like it was nothing. Remember Safe, when they took Book to the Cruiser Magellen? They were ready the leave him to die, and they didn't even have to take him on a shuttle, cruise him up through a raging reaver-Alliance battle, and tend to their own wounded first.
The only fact mitigating this would be a strong desire to interrogate him, which I would find it hard to speak to one way or the other.
Tristen
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Originally posted by Zeek:
The memorial thing is wrong too. Sure Book's body might not be there, but we know darn sure Mr. Universe didn't up and leave. At the very least they probably burried his buffy bot if the Reavers somehow ate him.
Nah, they took the love-bot with them - it's in Jayne's bunk.
Cheers,
Johnboy
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Originally posted by EvilDinosaur:
And from what I've seen from the series and the movie, medicine has not come to the point of bringing people back from the dead, and even if Wash didn't die instantly, everyone was far too distracted to get him the first aid neccessary to stop him from dying.
Cough. Cough. Tracey. Cough. Cough.
Sure, he was only *mostly* dead. Cue.....
Miracle Max: There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do
Inigo: What's that?
Miracle Max: Go through his clothes and look for loose change
Cheers,
Johnboy
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I'm not here to argue about Wash's alive/dead status, but I am going to say that I am quite sure that the ship that chased/EMP'd/harpooned Serenity was a Reaver ship, mainly because YOU CAN SEE IT EARLIER WHEN THEY FIRST PASS THROUGH REAVER SPACE.
Seriously. Check it out. I'm 100% sure. When they first head to Miranda, there is a shot early on in their passage, i'm not sure exactly when, where you can see the same ship in the Reaver Asteroid Belt. With the pointy wing type things and all. It's kinda dark, but I think it gives of a small blip of light at some point.
That would make sense in the argument of "Where the heck were the Alliance for 20 minutes/half an hour?" They were still fighting the Reavers in the air and working their way down. They wouldn't have had the time to organize an infiltration like they did until they were no longer occupied, most like.
I'm convinced that the ship that chases/EMP's them is the harpooner, because why would they just stop chasing?
I'm babbling like a moonbrain.
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Originally posted by CHOLLETT:
I'm not here to argue about Wash's alive/dead status, but I am going to say that I am quite sure that the ship that chased/EMP'd/harpooned Serenity was a Reaver ship, mainly because YOU CAN SEE IT EARLIER WHEN THEY FIRST PASS THROUGH REAVER SPACE.
Seriously. Check it out. I'm 100% sure. When they first head to Miranda, there is a shot early on in their passage, i'm not sure exactly when, where you can see the same ship in the Reaver Asteroid Belt. With the pointy wing type things and all. It's kinda dark, but I think it gives of a small blip of light at some point.
That would make sense in the argument of "Where the heck were the Alliance for 20 minutes/half an hour?" They were still fighting the Reavers in the air and working their way down. They wouldn't have had the time to organize an infiltration like they did until they were no longer occupied, most like.
I'm convinced that the ship that chases/EMP's them is the harpooner, because why would they just stop chasing?
I'm babbling like a moonbrain.
I don't understand your last assertion. Neither the bad guys nor the badder guys (you pick which is which) would have "just stopped chasing".
But as to the identity of the ship, you have a sharp eye. It was the same MODEL. The one in the reaver pack was an 8004. The one in the Alliance fleet was an 8010. (By the way, I have it on good authority the 8010 is the same machine, they just changed the plating 'n' hoped no one noticed.)
You see the same ship design and assume it's the same ship? You're gonna be real confused at the breaker's dock.
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Originally posted by Johnboy:
Cough. Cough. Tracey. Cough. Cough.
Sure, he was only *mostly* dead. Cue.....
Miracle Max: There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do
Inigo: What's that?
Miracle Max: Go through his clothes and look for loose change
Cheers,
Johnboy
Oh, my dear and fluffy Lord. Have I really brought us to "Princess Bride" references? I am so sorry...
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Originally posted by 11thHour:
26th Century medicine could very well work a lot like magic.
"Any technology, sufficiently advanced, is indistinguishable from magic." Arthur C. Clarke
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