Why Wash is 100% alive and mostly well.
POSTED BY: pastorbadger
UPDATED: Thursday, November 22, 2007 09:57
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Originally posted by KuangZheDe:
Ok boys and girls, I have got good news and bad news.
The good news
I think Wash may have had a one in a million chance to survive.
The Bad news
He will never dance again
From the attached diagram I have put together, it is feasible (highly unlikely though) that the harpoon (someone said multiheaded and barbed? I think is was shaped like a lance, not sure though)...that the harpoon could have entered right below the heart, in between the major vascular veins, and as it continued in, pushed the heart and lungs up and away with the ever increasing diameter of the harpoon. As mentioned in the bad news, if it was to pull of this miracle, it would have pulverized his spine around the T6 Vertibre.
Thin, but feasible...in fact, this is pretty sad
Kuang Zhe De
O.K., one more, but then I'm quitting. I promise. I got fuzzy-wuzzies what need Jesus brung to 'em. lol
That's might fine shooting you're a chartin' there, Tex. Exactly dead on? Not 2 centimeters to either side, where by nature an elngated instrument would push the spinal column aside?
But then we go back to, why on earth would you think they can strip little bits off of River's brain, take out your organs and store 'em for weeks, and freeze little girls in boxes, but not be able to repair a pesky severed spinal column?
Folks, there's just no need to take it up as a challenge to poke holes in this idea. I'm sure you've all got flies with wings that need pullin'. The point is: You don't have to believe this chapter for Wash to live. You only have to suspend you disbelief. (Murmur of dawning realization washes over crowd.)
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Quote:They put him front and center, because he's their friend and they wanted to honor him.
Originally posted by engineangel:
They didn't bring Book's body with them to Mr. Universe's planet did they?
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Originally posted by pastorbadger:
O.K., one more, but then I'm quitting. I promise. I got fuzzy-wuzzies what need Jesus brung to 'em. lol
That's might fine shooting you're a chartin' there, Tex. Exactly dead on? Not 2 centimeters to either side, where by nature an elngated instrument would push the spinal column aside?
Aren't you the one who said it went through his center and didn't hit his heart?
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But then we go back to, why on earth would you think they can strip little bits off of River's brain, take out your organs and store 'em for weeks, and freeze little girls in boxes, but not be able to repair a pesky severed spinal column?
Brain surgery and organ transplants are feasible even in this day and age.
Again, it is highly unlikely, given the amount of damage that Wash suffered from such a huge harpoon, that he was able to survive long enough for the Reavers to snack on him (which would damage him even more, btw) and then for the Alliance to a) take the time to stop the Reavers and b) decide he's somehow NOT dead, get him unpinned by the harpoon, and get him to a medical facility in time to stop massive brain damage, not to mention spinal damage, massive and multiple organ damage, and excessive blood loss.
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Folks, there's just no need to take it up as a challenge to poke holes in this idea. I'm sure you've all got flies with wings that need pullin'. The point is: You don't have to believe this chapter for Wash to live. You only have to suspend you disbelief. (Murmur of dawning realization washes over crowd.)
The same could be turned around and said to you as well. Denial is the first stage of grief.
Listen to Joss's commentary on the DVD. He talks about Wash's death. Alan has talked about Wash's death. He's dead, Jim.
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Christ All-friggin mighty!
What's wrong with u ppl?
I've been harpooned thru the sternum no less than a dozen times with a pike and each time it's only been a flesh wound.
For cryin out loud you'd think I've been afflicted with the eternally fatal "common cold" or something.
Gee whiz. Too much speculation. Wash lives.
XG
No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.
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Simple answer to the entire thing....
We find out quick in the next movie that the entire thing was just a dream of River's
That's right, she wakes up and everything is shiny once again
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Er . . . howdy! New recruit reporting for duty.
This new recruit wasn't so peeved about Wash's fate, when I had only seen the movie. But when I watched the whole series, well. That's another story. Now I can't see how the thing goes forward without Wash. I mean, sans Wash, what is Zoe, after all? She becomes an echo of either Mal (that hollowed-out-inside type character) or Jayne (the cold gunslinger), where before she was the antitype to both of those -- a stone-cold killer who nevertheless was a whole person, whose wholeness was bound up in her relationship. It didn't come out so much in the movie (aside: why was Wash in the movie such a pale vanilla character compared to Wash from the series? What was up with THAT?). Anyway, if you lose Wash, you lose Zoe too -- she becomes a redundant character, or an unsympathetic one (playing the grieving widow ad nauseum, which I really can't see, which puts us back at Door A).
So, I have joined the "Save Wash!" camp, because I also consider it to be the "Save Zoe!" camp, and without the both of them it just ain't the same!
That said . . .I find this scenario pretty improbable. I think it's pretty clear that the guy was D.E.A.D. dead. As for the Alliance saving him from that condition -- trust me on this, in fiction, you do NOT want the badguys bringing you back from the hereafter. That is just NEVER good. I mean, if the badguys bring you back, it's typically so that you can be their undead minion and serve their nefarious purpose, and is that really what we want for Wash of all people?
I'm also not a fan of the "Serenity 2: The Search for Wash" notion, with River in the Dr. McCoy role. That was cheesy when Star Trek did it. Ditto the "Wash as Obi Wan" ghost-mystic idea (although, you know, that might just work with Book . . . he could haunt Mal and give him daily reports straight from the Special Hell. . .)
But I do think Wash could return; I have my own theories on that score, and they don't involve anybody coming back from the dead or hanging around in incorporeal form. I'd elaborate but I've already gone on a bit excessively for a newbie; apologies!
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*snort* OK, this analysis had me laughing out loud, especially the graphic. I love it!
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One point concerning the bodies. While I can see Mr. Universe being left behind all corpsified Book and Wash were part of the crew. The "no man is left behind" creedo plays heavily into the show and one must remember that in almost every army that holds that tradition the tradition applies to your crewmates both alive or dead.
Nyte
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Originally posted by nauticalgal:
I think it's pretty clear that the guy was D.E.A.D. dead.
You stymie me. You read and understood the account of the guy who endured almost exactly the same injury as Wash, and survived with 1967 medicine. You have seen the episode where Mal and Zoe sign for a very dead guy (with a very good doctor there to testify to it) sent through the mail. (I can't even get books through the mail that ain't been mangled.)
Still you think that Wash just has to be dead? Understand the difference between resuscitation and reanimation. The former happens every blessed day in our ‘verse. I don’t know if the latter happens every day in theirs, but I’m not going to rule out what’s commonplace here. It’s simply a survivable injury by our current standards.
You nattering nabobs of negativism (sorry, Barry Goldwater moment) are only convincing me that Wash being alive is not only possible, but now likely. WE could have saved Wash, for goodness sake. (Although I have conceded that Zoe would be less than sanguine with what parts of him might be inoperable with today’s medicine.)
I am perplexed at you folks going out of your way to have him dead. Is it fear that we’ll end up with it “all being a dream” or a journey to the sacred MacGuffin to restore his brain, or something equally silly? Spock did it. John Sheridan did it. Colonel O’Neil did it (four times). Did Luke do it? I can’t recall. Why are we so afraid of Wash doing it? (That’s not a serious question.) Because it would strip this wonderful ‘verse of it realism and integrity. That’s why.
My story is sensible, practical and believable. No voodoo, time travel, cloning or visits to the Sacred MacGuffin. Just horse sense and a good field medic. Do not be afraid of Wash surviving his accident. Trust in Joss. Joss will do it right. We’re all counting on it. (But no pressure.)
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I like the theory. I would love it to be true, because I think the Wash/Zoe relationship is a big part of the gestalt that was/is Firefly, and it just seems far too final to kill off two of the characters I liked the best.
I think your theory could work well, if Joss decides he wants Wash back. You're completely correct - the only muster it has to pass is "suspension of disbelief".
"You live in a spaceship". Nuff said.
Thanks for the post!
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