Why Wash is 100% alive and mostly well.
POSTED BY: pastorbadger
UPDATED: Thursday, November 22, 2007 09:57
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come on guys,
I'm with PastorB on this.
Picky..picky ..picky
Anything can and could happen in the Joss/verse. Just take that rewind back a bit further...nope further... almost... there you go.
Jayne being pulled/stretched out full body length behind the mule while the crew is being chased by gorram reavers. With a metal spike throught the leg noless. Very believable.
Zip to onboard Serenity, Jayne hobbling along after that dang spiky thing, then days later in perfect health. All I can say is SHINY to modern medicine.
Now I'm lead to believe there ain't no hope for Wash. Sorry, I'm an optimist.You're gonna have to find Alan, send him to my house and have him tell me hes dead and Elvis better be with him
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Originally posted by KellyofLuthien:
So ok, let me get this straight. All Reaver ships are Alliance ships, and this particular ship was also an Alliance ship, but it can't be a Reaver ship because it was an Alliance ship?
What? You've been to the reaver shipyard? Every reaver ship WAS an alliance ship. And yes, they do seem to get right to uglifying them.
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Originally posted by pastorbadger:Quote:
Originally posted by KellyofLuthien:
So ok, let me get this straight. All Reaver ships are Alliance ships, and this particular ship was also an Alliance ship, but it can't be a Reaver ship because it was an Alliance ship?
What? You've been to the reaver shipyard? Every reaver ship WAS an alliance ship. And yes, they do seem to get right to uglifying them.
I see you answer this but fail to answer why other reaver ships don't have corpses on them either.
And also, you completely ignored my first post in which I wondering how Wash could have survived a stake attack that almost certainly collapsed both of his lungs.
Still not convinced, bud.
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Just to stir the puddin a bit on the Wash is alive side... For Wash to live, two things have to happen. 1) His body has to be quickly stabalized before brain death can happen. Then he can be 2) taken some place at leisure to be healed.
We know from The Message that healing him is within the capabilities of their technology. Tracy had all of his insides scooped out and replaced - even the removed organs were in storage to be replaced. Now how to stabalize Wash until that can happen? Do they still have River's freezer thingy on board?
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Erm...just want to make clear, PastorBadger, I don't disagree on any particular point =) I think the theory is awesome, but it had a few points that were a burr under my saddle, and I wanted to point that out =)
I do think it's likely that Wash is on the other side, personally, but I want to believe otherwise, and I'm willing to remain open to the possibility, and theories like this help that along. I promise, my post wasn't intended in any negative way. I just wanted to smooth the road a little more, for myself and anyone who stumbled the way that I did. Hell, I didn't make it nearly so far as this to logic out a feasible possibility for the theory to work on. I owe you a well-earned kudos on that, and I really should have said as much before.
Apologetically,
Amiton.
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Originally posted by zzetta13:
come on guys,
I'm with PastorB on this.
Picky..picky ..picky
Anything can and could happen in the Joss/verse. Just take that rewind back a bit further...nope further... almost... there you go.
Jayne being pulled/stretched out full body length behind the mule while the crew is being chased by gorram reavers. With a metal spike throught the leg noless. Very believable.
Zip to onboard Serenity, Jayne hobbling along after that dang spiky thing, then days later in perfect health. All I can say is SHINY to modern medicine.
Now I'm lead to believe there ain't no hope for Wash. Sorry, I'm an optimist.You're gonna have to find Alan, sent him to my house and have him tell me hes dead and Elvis better be with him
Bravo! It's amazing what people will accept as fact, and what is rejected as fancy. And I quote from the book of Firefly - Zoe: "You live on a spaceship, dear." Wash: "What's your point?"
And as for the skewering of Jayne, let's not forget that miracle was accomplished with the resources of a cargo ship's medbay! (All props to Simon, of course.)
Now with a nice big Alliance cruiser, with the kind of medbay that fixed Book's heart with a bullet in it? Himself close enough to Heaven to ask St. Peter to turn his stereo down? C'mon! You just can't please some people.
And it doesn't matter much if the reaver's touched Wash. It just explains what the Feds were so busy doing while river was teaching the reavers the error of their ways.
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Originally posted by Amiton:
Erm...just want to make clear, PastorBadger, I don't disagree on any particular point =) I think the theory is awesome, but it had a few points that were a burr under my saddle, and I wanted to point that out =)
I do think it's likely that Wash is on the other side, personally, but I want to believe otherwise, and I'm willing to remain open to the possibility, and theories like this help that along. I promise, my post wasn't intended in any negative way. I just wanted to smooth the road a little more, for myself and anyone who stumbled the way that I did. Hell, I didn't make it nearly so far as this to logic out a feasible possibility for the theory to work on. I owe you a well-earned kudos on that, and I really should have said as much before.
Apologetically,
Amiton.
How about if I bring you a little closer?
True story. A kid in a new '67 Ford Mustang loses control and kisses a bridge abbutment head-on at about 45 mph. The impact drives the steering column right through his chest. His lungs are punctured and his heart is compressed and can't beat. Dead as stone, he is.
Quick-thinking ambulance drivers grab a concrete saw from an adjacent constrction site and cut him loose. Before the day of paramedics, and before amulances equipped like rolling hospitals, one of the drivers (a medic in WWII) sticks his hand in the kids chest and begins compressions directly on the heart.
The kid survives, albiet with partial pralysis from oxygen deprivation and some spinal damage.
Now, given that true story, how could anyone think that Wash might not have survived. Maybe Alliance medicine ain't what it should be given the year and technology, but it's better than 1967, Earth-that-was. And ask any experienced combat medic: he's seen way worse and then seen them come through it. Not always. Not even most of the time. But they'll all have seen it.
Ask Simon.
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Originally posted by KellyofLuthien:
I see you answer this but fail to answer why other reaver ships don't have corpses on them either.
And also, you completely ignored my first post in which I wondering how Wash could have survived a stake attack that almost certainly collapsed both of his lungs.
Still not convinced, bud.
Not that I've been keepin' count, but I've never seen a clean and shiny reaver ship. As I've already said, though. Not integral to this chapter of the story.
Forum member Fivver and survvor of Serenity Valley, Tracey answered your second point. We're talking about a verse where girls can be shipped frozen as freight, and guys can be shipped temporarily dead by UPS. Seem so odd to you that a guy two minutes dead could have brain damage halted by a medical Maguffin? Remember: unconciousness at three minutes. Irreperable (with today's techniques) brain damage in twenty! Plenty of time for gettin' gnawed-on, cut out, carried back, and susequently lost in the system.
This has been fun guys. I'll be in my bunk.
(Switches back to lurk mode.)
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Ok boys and girls, I have got good news and bad news.
The good news
I think Wash may have had a one in a million chance to survive.
The Bad news
He will never dance again
From the attached diagram I have put together, it is feasible (highly unlikely though) that the harpoon (someone said multiheaded and barbed? I think is was shaped like a lance, not sure though)...that the harpoon could have entered right below the heart, in between the major vascular veins, and as it continued in, pushed the heart and lungs up and away with the ever increasing diameter of the harpoon. As mentioned in the bad news, if it was to pull of this miracle, it would have pulverized his spine around the T6 Vertibre.
Thin, but feasible...in fact, this is pretty sad 
Please reveiw the following link
Kuang Zhe De 
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Originally posted by KuangZheDe:
Ok boys and girls, I have got good news and bad news.
The good news
I think Wash may have had a one in a million chance to survive.
The Bad news
He will never dance again
From the attached diagram I have put together, it is feasible (highly unlikely though) that the harpoon (someone said multiheaded and barbed? I think is was shaped like a lance, not sure though)...that the harpoon could have entered right below the heart, in between the major vascular veins, and as it continued in, pushed the heart and lungs up and away with the ever increasing diameter of the harpoon. As mentioned in the bad news, if it was to pull of this miracle, it would have pulverized his spine around the T6 Vertibre.
Thin, but feasible...in fact, this is pretty sad
Please reveiw the following link
Kuang Zhe De
This is both the most sickeningly amusing and the most sane thing I've seen all day on this thread. That harpoon went all the way through the back of the seat Wash was in, so it definitely went out Wash's back. And since it was so nicely centered, you're right--it would have gone directly through the spine.
Thank you for this.
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