Why Wash is 100% alive and mostly well.
POSTED BY: pastorbadger
UPDATED: Thursday, November 22, 2007 09:57
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Originally posted by GreenFaerie:
I too am sure it was a Reaver ship.
The theory on Wash's return is interesting, but denial can be an ugly thing. He's dead. Please get over it.
I disagree, but fortunately this particular Elvis theory doesn't hinge on it. Seems likely, in addition to bein' true, though. Reavers are firing on everyone equally. Alliance are shooting at everyone, but want Serenity in particular.
So some here think it's a reaver makes the shot? Just don't add up. Don't change the facts, neither.
Hell, I ain't even sayin' Wash is STILL alive. Alliance could'a finished the job. Could'a been hit by traffic 'twixt then and now. I've got nothing to "give up". Just tellin' the part of the story we didn't see as I guess it happened.
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I do like the theory, and would dearly like Wash (and Book) to be fully active and corporeal in any future installments, but I do see two kinks in some of the information that you have here.
First is your response about the EMP, PastorBadger. The Reavers have EMP weapons. They're brought up in Serenity: The Pilot, I believe. Now I'm going to have to go look =p I know they've been addressed, though.
The other hitch I have with the master theory. The reavers likely aren't going to take the time and effort to unspit our dear pilot. That would assert, in the anal retentive styles of the Alliance, that they put into their report that they cut some guy in the pilot seat off of a telephone pole through his chest and revived him from the edge of the deep dark. Those guys answer to the Operative, and he's a thorough kind of guy that would have noticed a detail like that. With that being the case, I would imagine that once he passed along that the Tams were no longer a threat and resigned his post (without so many words) that he might have passed that tidbit along to Mal before he faded into the nothingness.
Just as an ancilliary addendum to your theory, however, I will assert that he did *exactly* that, but for artistic reasons (like this movie had to tie off plot lines in case there wasn't a sequel) the exchange of dialog that had that *crucial* piece of information was excised. We'll get to see it as the opening sequence of the next installment =)
Amiton.
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Did you watch the movie with commentary!!?? Or, did you watch the end of the movie!?
Gravestone = Dead
Being Impaled through the midsection by a giant barbed, multi-headed harpoon = Even more dead!
Joss says that it was a 'mutual argeement' on killing off the character. Alan would make jokes all the time to the effect of 'my script only goes to page 105...' and everyone would laugh. I'm going to say this for the umpteenth time. Joss has stated that Alan isn't done with the cast, but Wash is gone.
From a story writing standpoint, your assumptions make no sense. "Watch a play" ? I've read the post four times. Um, how does that fit in to a movie. You can't compare the two. Furthermore...if the alliance had come and found Wash slightly alive, they would have at least told the crew when they were being patched up after the battle.
C'mon people...we all miss him. But you're dwelling on this more than Zoe. He's gone (in flesh) so get over it.
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Originally posted by pastorbadger:Quote:Any reaver ship must also be an Alliance design.
Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
It was a Reaver ship. If you watch you the opening scenes you will see that the ship does not match the designs of any of the Alliance craft.
So ok, let me get this straight. All Reaver ships are Alliance ships, and this particular ship was also an Alliance ship, but it can't be a Reaver ship because it was an Alliance ship?
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It's the lack of really skinny folk ridin' on the outside of the ship I use to make this call. Reavers aren't known for a quick run through the auto-wash before a big battle.
I don't seem to remember every single Reaver ship having dead bodies on the outside of them. Did we see that in the pilot? I don't think so. Did we see that on the little spidery ship that Mal blows out of the black? No. Just because there's no dead people riding on top doesn't mean the ship isn't a reaver ship.
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That was... incredibly detailed.
But that Reaver harpoon destroyed his heart and lungs. Dude's dead. we may see him in flashbacks or something, but out dear, departed Wash is departed, dear.
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I'm with those who say Wash is dead as a doornail. It would ruin the whole ending of Serenity if Wash survived.
Also I'm pretty sure they chose a giant stake because it was so final. There's just no way he survived. It's not like we see him fall over a cliff and don't see him go splat. We get the splat. We get the no more breathing.
The memorial thing is wrong too. Sure Book's body might not be there, but we know darn sure Mr. Universe didn't up and leave. At the very least they probably burried his buffy bot if the Reavers somehow ate him. So, there were bodies to be burried. Besides I think they probably did bring Book's body onboard all Tracy style.
I'm betting they found Wash right where they left him. All dead.
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I'm willing to buy it. And for those of you saying Wash is dead, get over it. Well, it's a movie, Joss can do whatever he ruttin' wants, even bring him back to life. So "get over" our optimism.
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Bravo!
Even if it never comes to fruition, I sure had fun reading your idea of how Wash is alive. It is ,uhm, food for thought.
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He's toast.
I agree that if he is on the show and/or movie screen again we will only see him in flashbacks, or in recordings, but not in the flesh.
I am willing to surmise that his body was intact for burial, though. Reavers don't bother with dead bodies. They like their food alive and kicking. An impaled, deader-than-dead Wash would be of no interest to them.
In the sci fi realm, you never really know though... cloning, anyone??? 
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Originally posted by Amiton:
I do like the theory, and would dearly like Wash (and Book) to be fully active and corporeal in any future installments, but I do see two kinks in some of the information that you have here.
First is your response about the EMP, PastorBadger. The Reavers have EMP weapons. They're brought up in Serenity: The Pilot, I believe. Now I'm going to have to go look =p I know they've been addressed, though.
The other hitch I have with the master theory. The reavers likely aren't going to take the time and effort to unspit our dear pilot. That would assert, in the anal retentive styles of the Alliance, that they put into their report that they cut some guy in the pilot seat off of a telephone pole through his chest and revived him from the edge of the deep dark. Those guys answer to the Operative, and he's a thorough kind of guy that would have noticed a detail like that. With that being the case, I would imagine that once he passed along that the Tams were no longer a threat and resigned his post (without so many words) that he might have passed that tidbit along to Mal before he faded into the nothingness.
Just as an ancilliary addendum to your theory, however, I will assert that he did *exactly* that, but for artistic reasons (like this movie had to tie off plot lines in case there wasn't a sequel) the exchange of dialog that had that *crucial* piece of information was excised. We'll get to see it as the opening sequence of the next installment =)
Amiton.
Sigh. O.K., lets wade in here. First, to many of you, I ain't sayin' all of this because I have a desperate, abiding need for Wash to have survived. I just think I know what the Alliance was up to in that half-hour.
2. I do recall the mention of a "grappler" in the pilot, but they may have mentioned an EMP beam. Not important. Ship was all shiny and clean. Plus, we've never seen a reaver use an EMP weapon. We HAVE seen them use harpoons aplenty. Don't worry over this bone, because it dosn't change the outcome.
3. "The reavers likely aren't going to take the time and effort to unspit our dear pilot." Who said they'd unspit all of him? In this very movie we saw a couple of 'em settle right down for a meal in the middle of the street. And since they are there for meat, why wouldn't they take the time to do anything? They've got what they came for. It's reaver Miller time.
4a. "Those guys answer to the Operative, and he's a thorough kind of guy that would have noticed a detail like that." The operative stopped reading reports the second he saw the recording. His mission is over. Clean up is left for those who clean up. He's lost his faith, his job, and very likely his kneck soon enough. I think we can forgive him missing that detail.
Plus, although everyone reports to the operative, they don't know it. He called for every ship in the area. They report directly to thier captains. Their captains report to whatever high-ranking officer the operative has exposed his mission to. That (despite Jayne's opinions to the contrary) is the chain of command. Count on the grunts getting maybe two sentences. "Get that firefly and everyone on board". O.K., one sentence. "Don't get 'et" was probably just assumed.
4b. The operative would notice any detail. The two survivors remaining after enetering Serenity with a full squad of six, probably came out in little better shape than Wash. (Never interrupt a reaver at a picnic.) They can certainly be forgiven for neglecting to mention the pike, from which Wash was less than gently removed by two shots from a very large-calibur weapon, or a couple of beads from that fun burning gell from the pilot episode. Remember, the squad is assaulting a large complex. They're certainly carrying stuff to get through stubborn doors.
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