Windows Linux or Mac?
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UPDATED: Saturday, April 8, 2006 06:42
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Rather than read over your paragraphs of drivel, I'll just answer a few key points. You really go on and on, and I really don't care enough to read multiple paragraphs of your writing.
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
You, well you've failed to do that in any way shape or form.
Regarding the arguments I've made, I've linked to several articles relating to security concerns. You've linked to what... slashdot?
{snip} (I'm not even going to touch that "vendetta" and "pawns" crap)
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
The free OS's already have good driver support. And this, almost all through reverse engineering and sharing of code.
They already have enough free opensource software to be alternatives to windows. What software do people really need that isn't availible? For general use, nothing.
So, your point here, no dice.
My god! Have you ever tried to run a very demanding game and attempted to squeeze every last FPS you can out of your video card? Good lord, 3rd party drivers only go so far. I'm amazed you could say that with a straight face!
And you realize that gaming applications are.. software, correct? If I wanted to play the new game, Oblivion, on my linux machine, I'd be fairly out of luck wouldn't I? Yet, without a MS dominance, Bethesda would've likely made it for another platform; perhaps a *nix one. Meaning, you folks would benefit.
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
You again put words and my mouth and make baseless assumptions.
My point was that since there is more than enough high quality free software for Linux/*BSD, driver support, etc that this cannot be a motivator. Especially since the GNU foundation is completely against closed source things.
{snip}
You hide your attacks poorly, then feign innocence when I call you out. I doubt anyone buys that crap; and it's insulting that you think I'm stupid enough not to notice.
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Perhaps. But, if you would have read the disclaimer itself, then you'd realize the reason for doing it. And referencing all my previous posts, here and else where, this is hardly a common occurence.
I'll also point out that you are the only one that seems to have a problem with it. And if the person that I was replying to didn't have a problem with it, why are you trying to make it an issue?
I'm merely pointing out that you yourself admitted to the possibility of your coming across as a jackass, as you put it (albeit less bluntly) in your own post.
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Basically, I find you a petty, small, narrow minded person that can't let go of being proven wrong on so many accounts. You also don't seem capable of letting go of any offense that I might have given you in this thread even when I apologized for it.
{snip}(Must you have several paragraphs just for attacking my person? One suffices, and gets the point across quite nicely.)
Apologized? Where might that be? Perhaps, you mean this:
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
On behalf of Canada, I apologize for Sneaker98's behaviour (and any part that I had in this). I don't know what happened to him/her to become the aggressive, bitter, unforgiving person (s)he is, but I apologize.
Well, you'll have to excuse me if that doesn't exactly make me cheery, and eager to move on with our friendly relationship?
Remember that high road we were discussing?
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Now, I'll leave you with whatever you see fit as "the last word." I can only assume, because of your posting history, that it'll be a continuation of this temper tantrum. Please surprise me.
Yep, I get it, you think I'm a child, yadda yadda. Leave it at a few sentences next time, why bore others needlessly? Unfortunately, your prior history of promising to not respond hasn't gone over well.
However, it's quite amazing: you actually accuse me of a temper tantrum after what; three or four paragraphs o
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Originally posted by sneaker98:
Rather than read over your paragraphs of drivel, I'll just answer a few key points. You really go on and on, and I really don't care enough to read multiple paragraphs of your writing.Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
You, well you've failed to do that in any way shape or form.
Regarding the arguments I've made, I've linked to several articles relating to security concerns. You've linked to what... slashdot?
{snip} (I'm not even going to touch that "vendetta" and "pawns" crap)Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
The free OS's already have good driver support. And this, almost all through reverse engineering and sharing of code.
They already have enough free opensource software to be alternatives to windows. What software do people really need that isn't availible? For general use, nothing.
So, your point here, no dice.
My god! Have you ever tried to run a very demanding game and attempted to squeeze every last FPS you can out of your video card? Good lord, 3rd party drivers only go so far. I'm amazed you could say that with a straight face!
And you realize that gaming applications are.. software, correct? If I wanted to play the new game, Oblivion, on my linux machine, I'd be fairly out of luck wouldn't I? Yet, without a MS dominance, Bethesda would've likely made it for another platform; perhaps a *nix one. Meaning, you folks would benefit.Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
You again put words and my mouth and make baseless assumptions.
My point was that since there is more than enough high quality free software for Linux/*BSD, driver support, etc that this cannot be a motivator. Especially since the GNU foundation is completely against closed source things.
{snip}
You hide your attacks poorly, then feign innocence when I call you out. I doubt anyone buys that crap; and it's insulting that you think I'm stupid enough not to notice.Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Perhaps. But, if you would have read the disclaimer itself, then you'd realize the reason for doing it. And referencing all my previous posts, here and else where, this is hardly a common occurence.
I'll also point out that you are the only one that seems to have a problem with it. And if the person that I was replying to didn't have a problem with it, why are you trying to make it an issue?
I'm merely pointing out that you yourself admitted to the possibility of your coming across as a jackass, as you put it (albeit less bluntly) in your own post.Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Basically, I find you a petty, small, narrow minded person that can't let go of being proven wrong on so many accounts. You also don't seem capable of letting go of any offense that I might have given you in this thread even when I apologized for it.
{snip}(Must you have several paragraphs just for attacking my person? One suffices, and gets the point across quite nicely.)
Apologized? Where might that be? Perhaps, you mean this:Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
On behalf of Canada, I apologize for Sneaker98's behaviour (and any part that I had in this). I don't know what happened to him/her to become the aggressive, bitter, unforgiving person (s)he is, but I apologize.
Well, you'll have to excuse me if that doesn't exactly make me cheery, and eager to move on with our friendly relationship?
Remember that high road we were discussing?Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Now, I'll leave you with whatever you see fit as "the last word." I can only assume, because of your posting history, that it'll be a continuation of this temper tantrum. Please surprise me.
Yep, I get it, you think I'm a child, yadda yadda. Leave it at a few sentences next time, why bore others needlessly? Unfortunately, your prior history of promising to not respond hasn't gone over well.
However, it's quite amazing: you actually accuse me of a temper tanNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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Originally posted by citizen:
In other news:
I've installed Ubuntu on my Laptop and I'm very impressed, the installation was easier than Windows XP, setting up the wireless and wired networks was a breeze (no drivers even, put XP to shame) even interfacing with my windows network was easier than getting my Windows machines to do it (seriously...).
Awesome
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Originally posted by citizen:
ATI graphics drivers for my Mobillity 9600 won't even install, I've downloaded them, tried it myself, followed the readmes, the release notes, the community everything but no dice. It complains that the dependencies aren't there, in Windows I'd fix that in seconds, but I'm not so hot on Linux, anyone got any ideas?
It's been awhile since I've gotten into detail with Linux. STDOUBT seems to be quite knowledgeable, so I'll defer to him. But, since his involvment here seems to be intermittent, I'd recommend contacting him directly.
Hope everything works out for you
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Originally posted by citizen:
However...
ATI graphics drivers for my Mobillity 9600 won't even install, I've downloaded them, tried it myself, followed the readmes, the release notes, the community everything but no dice. It complains that the dependencies aren't there, in Windows I'd fix that in seconds, but I'm not so hot on Linux, anyone got any ideas?
Hey there Citizen.
Firstly, nvidia does do a bit better job with drivers for Linux. That's just for future reference. Now to your laptop:
By default Ubuntu steers you toward pure open source packages for installable software. You have a file called sources.list found here: /etc/apt/sources.list. I contains addresses from which your system can grab new software. By default, these addresses point to open source stuff only. The ATI 3D drivers are closed source.
Sounds like you need to either add to or edit that file. I'm assuming you downloaded drivers from ATI? Well, the best way is to download through apt-get which is your systems default package manager. Assuming also you're after 3D acceleration here right? You need to make apt point to "restricted" and "multiverse" software repositories. After making changes to sources.list, run "apt-get update". When that finishes, run "apt-cache search ati". I'm sure it's just a matter of adding the right repository and then updating "apt". Tip: always use the "-s" switch before you "apt-get install", i.e., "apt-get -s install" as this will "simulate" the install and reveal any incompletions or problems before a go-ahead.
Tip(2): at the console run "lspci" -the true name of your ATI chip will be listed there which you can also use to troubleshoot or ask about on the ubuntu forums (really good user forums).
Keep in mind it's not the model name/number of your graphics chip that needs the support-it's the actual chip model (find with lspci).
Good Luck, and do feel free to message me with a ton more detail than your post provided ;]
EDIT: Forgot to mention dependencies. Apt resolves all that automatically. So if you simply d/l'd from ATI's site, chances are you will be missing something like a compatibility layer or some cryptic glx widget.
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It's just general stuff, I'm working on a website that uses alpha blending which is notably slow when scrolling etc which it wasn't doing under Windows because Windows had the graphics card drivers...
I've downloaded from ATI and through apt though didn't know about the -s switch and I followed something from the Forums which didn't include the cache search. When I run aticonfig which is the last step it complains that a fglx<...>.so file can't be found.
I've played with apt and I think it's pointing to the restricted and multiverse repositories.
I'll give your method a try (if I can, the likely hood of me having an internet connection for the next three days isn't high) and get back to you as and when.
Thing is I've got so far with the ATI install, it's got the Control Panel in and all that old junk, but none of it works. I've had a play and become a bit more competant (Linuxing at a 2nd Grade level, out of Primary school now...) so now that I've managed to install about three versions of the same driver, none of which work, it might be easier to reinstall Ubuntu and do it properly...
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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general jackassery
That's gonna be my new gaming handle.
I can't stop laughing.
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Originally posted by everyworldspinnin:Quote:
general jackassery
That's gonna be my new gaming handle.
I can't stop laughing.
It's one of my favs ;)
STdoubt is definately correct, nvidia is far better about linux drivers than ATI. Does the folks who make the Omega drivers for ATI do them for linux as well?
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Originally posted by citizen:
It's just general stuff, I'm working on a website that uses alpha blending which is notably slow when scrolling etc which it wasn't doing under Windows because Windows had the graphics card drivers...
Well, bit of a different animal there -unrelated
to lack of 3d accelerated driver. Has probably to
do with the boot-time use of the framebuffer and a bug with the ATI stuff (hint: change vga=0x317 to vga=normal in /boot/grub/menu.lst then reboot might help, can't hurt).
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I've downloaded from ATI and through apt though didn't know about the -s switch and I followed something from the Forums which didn't include the cache search. When I run aticonfig which is the last step it complains that a fglx<...>.so file can't be found.
You may need to install "xorg-driver-fglrx".
I do nvidia myself, but I think I can help
you -but we should take it off-thread methinks.
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I've played with apt and I think it's pointing to the restricted and multiverse repositories.
Knowin' is better'n thinkin' ;]
If the line does not have an '#', then it
is considered "uncommented". Only uncommented
lines are picked up by the prog. After any change
to sources.list run the 'apt-get update' always.
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I'll give your method a try (if I can, the likely hood of me having an internet connection for the next three days isn't high) and get back to you as and when.
Thing is I've got so far with the ATI install, it's got the Control Panel in and all that old junk, but none of it works. I've had a play and become a bit more competant (Linuxing at a 2nd Grade level, out of Primary school now...) so now that I've managed to install about three versions of the same driver, none of which work, it might be easier to reinstall Ubuntu and do it properly...
Well, ironically, that's the rub. There's really
no need to reinstall to get anything right. Just
a matter of giving the system what it wants. Which
is likely nothing more than the fglrx driver and
a few simple edits to some configuration files.
Feel free to reinstall though -I used to even think it was fun ;] If you do decide to reinstall
for the sheer joy, do give "Serenity" a try first:
http://www.elivecd.org/gb/Download/0.4.2/
Here's a snippet from the changelog for version 0.4.2:
" * All the Bugs listed on the 'Bugs Section' are fixed thanks to the bugs reports of the users on the IRC channel
* ATI works again with the fglrx driver.
* We have now some support for SATA hard disks included on the installer.
* We have also a new feature on Elpanel to configure your terminal.
* Firefox 1.5.
* We have also a better support on the autolauncher for Windows' Type CDs and autodetection for cedega, if you install the games.
* A lot of minor changes not listed, to make Elive better and better."
elive is much less a newbie distro, but it gets
my seal of approval for pimpin' to the masses since it's dead-compatible with vanilla Debian repositories, unlike Ubuntu. Plus it just kicks so much arse (<--that's for all you Brits here ;) The 1 problem with elive is no auto-config for wireless. All has to be "hand installed" with apt. That will change with 0.5 or later (yes it's the sexiest beta you'll ever see).
Citizen -I'd be more than happy to help you get your laptop in top form off-thread since I'd need to see a bunch of command output and file snips from your system. I'll message you my addy -you can take it from there.
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I love me some wi-fi! Sittin' in Millenium Park right now enjoying 60 degree weather, and thought I'd show you all how kickass Macs can be. I took a couple pictures with my camera phone, transferred them to my computer using the bluetooth connection icon right in Mac OS's menu bar, then uploaded them to my webspace:
(there were a couple more steps, but you get the idea)
... and here they are!
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Ahh back to civilisation...
STDOUBT:
I'll send you a mail in a bit thanks.
Couple of things though.
It could be the driver, as the graphics card would also accelerate 2D operations like Alpha Blending. Using generic drivers the Graphics card will be running no acceleration, in Windows moving a window about can be slow when you haven't got your accelerator drivers installed.
Drivers:
NVidia software has always been better, no matter what platform, however once you've got the Software sorted the ATI Hardware (IMHO) is much better and often cheaper...
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