Jayne and Kaylee

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JACQUI

Friday, March 24, 2006 4:21 AM

It's no secret that I'm a Jaylee shipper.

Personally, I think the Jayne/Kaylee relationship would work on many levels and for many reasons.

Firstly, they're very much alike in background, beliefs, attitudes, humour and everything that counts. And yes, it does count. You may be able to ignore or build over differences in the beginning of a relationship, but those things will eat at you over time.

Secondly, there is genuine affection between them. Both of them. It's obvious. They joke around a lot, teasing each other in ways that only people comfortable with each other can do.

Whenever Kaylee is hurt, threatened, or in danger, Jayne is ready to kill. In "Serenity (the pilot)", when Kaylee is shot, Jayne goes into overdrive, ready to kill Dobson without blinking. Then he crouches by the infirmary window and watches, biting his nails, without moving until he knows Kaylee is safe. I doubt he would have done that for anyone else. And later, when the Reaver ship is chasing them, Jayne carries her with such care and gentleness, overriding his own fears of the monsters.

In "Shindig" it is the sight of Kaylee surrounded by guns that stops Jayne rising up against Badger. (And Zoe, it has to be noted, knows this).

In "The Message", when Tracey grabs Kaylee, Jayne is ready with a gun again. Yes, Zoe and Mal were there, too, I realise this, but it is Kaylee that he is there for, he moves to her side and she's the one he stands in front of as soon as she gets free of Tracey.

It's not just Jayne, either.

Whenever Jayne is hurt, it is Kaylee that goes to him, Kaylee that makes sure he's okay. In "The Train Job", it's Kaylee that stands next to him while Simon operates, Kaylee that keeps reassuring him and touching him.

In "Ariel", Kaylee goes to check on Jayne's injuries before she checks on River. That's noteworthy.

They work together, too, quite often and quite easily. In "Bushwhacked" she climbs on his shoulders and they score a goal. This isn't something that happened on the spur of the moment. That's a move that had to be practiced, they had to have done that before. It shows how well they work together. Same as in "Trash", when they're fixing the compactor thing.

They're much more comfortable just sitting and talking with each other, as seen in "Shindig" when they're playing cards, than Simon and Kaylee ever are.

And, yes, this is where I bring Simon into it. I love Simon, I do, but Kaylee never will be first in his life. It's a simple fact, a true one, and one that nobody blames him for. He has to look after River and that's a very noble thing. But Kaylee deserves better than to be always second.

To be always dismissed for someone else.

There's also the class thing. Simon is core and he will never be able to forget that. He doesn't even know he's doing it when he talks down to Kaylee, when he belittles everything she takes pleasure in. She hides it well, but she HURTS when he does that. Kaylee will never feel good enough for Simon, even if Simon doesn't ever consciously understand that. That alone will slowly poison Kaylee from the inside out.

Jayne, on the otherhand, he may be a simple man, but he is fiercely protective of the things he loves. He loves his Ma, the way he proudly wore that ugly knitted hat with pride clearly showed that.

If he and Kaylee ever got in a relationship, he would give her EVERYTHING.

He has serious self esteem issues, with how he sees himself and how he believes everyone else sees him, so he will always believe Kaylee is TOO GOOD for him and he will always treat her as someone precious. And Kaylee would flourish under that.

I don't think that either of them see how well they work together, not in the series. Kaylee, for all that she knows, is still very young and she's caught up in Simon, she sees him as someone 'pretty' and 'swai' and so very shiny that she doesn't acknowledge all his faults. She sees something she wants and doesn't always see something she needs.

Jayne is still too insecure to really acknowledge what he wants a

CANTONHEROINE

Friday, March 24, 2006 4:45 AM

I thought I'd summed it up, but Jacqui just does it so much better. So, yeah. What she said - that's what I meant.

There's tons of little moments that add up. Watch for 'em. We're not making this stuff up, promise.

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WYOBAR

Friday, March 24, 2006 5:02 AM

And that is why I love your writing-good job.

"dong ma"

RAVENHAIR

Friday, March 24, 2006 1:11 PM

I was just waiting for Jacqui to post so I could say "yeah, what she said."

Before I started reading fanfic (and I'm a Jaylee shipper almost exclusively) I didn't see Jayne and Kaylee together at all. It always seemed like brother/sister to me. Sometimes Jayne is just plain nasty to her (aside from the gynecologist remark - I didn't notice until the umpteenth viewing of the Train Job that he tells her to 'shut it' just before he 'goes crazy and falls asleep'. I hated the tone in his voice. For her part, I don't think Kaylee even flinched, but I never liked that he would talk to her like that.)

Anyway, since enjoying all the Jaylee fics out there I watch the DVD and movie with Jaylee in mind and while I still have a hard time seeing it sometimes, I agree that if the series had continued it would have been a possible plot thread.

I can't get enough of the writing. The Jaylee writers out there are fantastic, even if you don't get it. They write so well and weave wonderful stories about my two favorite characters!

ISAACSHEPHERD

Friday, March 24, 2006 2:37 PM

I think they'd make an interesting couple considering the contrast between the two. The only unrealistic side is that Jayne is quite a bit older than Kaylee which would make it kinda strange to see them as a couple. But it does seem like they may have a little sister/ big brother kind of relationship in a way. At least when Kaylee was shot he seemed concerned. I think that Jayne likes her and thinks she's attractive but I don't think he's willing to go further than joking. Although I could be wrong.
IS

The Bible's a bit fuzzy on the subject of kneecaps.

JYNNANTONNYX

Friday, March 24, 2006 2:44 PM

Well, I'm gonna say it straight up: I'm a Rayne shipper. There.

I definately see the argument for Jayne/Kaylee though, there's piles of evidence to support that Jayne has a crush on Kaylee - along with Joss admitting it.

I found it really interesting though that Adam Baldwin actually sees Inara as the perfect girl for Jayne. She's beautiful, exotic etc. He mentioned in an interview that he sees Jayne and Kaylee's relationship to be purely brother and sister and he always tried to play it that way - and play that he was attracted to Inara. This is of course the actors point of view - and if I remember the interview right, Adam said that Joss didn't like the idea :)

In the unfilmed script - forgotten what it's called - we definately see that Jayne has a soft spot for Kaylee ("bastards singed my turtle" - best quote EVER). But then I was seeing some kinda sparks between Simon and Inara. Of course then you get the Jayne likes Kaylee, Kaylee likes Simon, Simon likes Inara, Inara likes Mal ... but this theory gets blown out of the water with the movie :)

Anyway, back to Rayne. Joss likes his couples to be dark and twisted IMO and could you get more twisted than that couple :D There are some incredible fics out there about these two!

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"It's just an object. It doesn't mean what you think."

WEICHI

Friday, March 24, 2006 3:34 PM

Well, I was never much enamored of the whole Jaylee thing, but these posts make some interesting arguments. Certainly the moment when Jayne watches while she is in sickbay is quite moving.

I still think much of the "evidence" can be explained away by his boorishness, brotherly fondness and a us - them thing, not jealousy - thinking she is not in Simon's social circle and not believing Simon is one of the crew.

I do disagree with one part of Jacqui's otherwise logical and sound post - and that is the statement that they share beliefs and attitudes. Kaylee sees the good in everything, this is central to her character, on the other hand, Jayne does not share this view, particulary about people.

I guess folks are looking for something squishy deep inside of him that paints toenails and haltingly reads letters from mom. And that is, certainly, hinted at, but to say they share beliefs and attitudes seems, to me, a stretch.

See how I'm not punching him, I think I've grown!

REAVERMAN

Friday, March 24, 2006 6:24 PM

I dont know, it might work... Then again, maybe not. Jayne is bound to have some intimacy issues 'cause he's always expectin' to be killed on the job. Then there's his whole "never kiss 'em on the mouth" thing (hi-larious, but maybe a symptom of his issues?). I think he and Mal have got the same attitude about it: that its better to not love at all then to have loved and lost. Just my thoughts on the matter.

"We're gonna explode? I don' wanna explode!"

SINGATE

Friday, March 24, 2006 7:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jacqui:
Whenever Jayne is hurt, it is Kaylee that goes to him, Kaylee that makes sure he's okay.

In the BDM after the reavers chase the mule back into the cargo bay Jayne is sitting on the steps still hurting from that harpoon which impaled his leg. Instead of tending to him Kaylee pushes him aside to see if Simon is all right.

Of course followed by the great Mal line, "Is he alright?!"

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BURKESONGS

Friday, March 24, 2006 7:26 PM

Aren't we forgetting some of the recurring characters? I'm thinking Saffron myself... Saffron & Jayne. Hmmm... It'd be just the kind of weird pairing that Joss is good at.

I mean, look at Buffy & Spike, or Xander & Faith on Buffy, or Fred and, well, EVERYBODY on Angel...

Joss is fond of redeeming 'evil' characters and making them one of the good guys (Spike being the most blatant turn-around). Saffron could be Miss Right for Jayne... or more likely Miss 'Right Now' (heh-heh)...

Just an odd take on the Jayne lovelife subject...

"I am a leaf on the wind..."

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