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Roundtable discussion between Hound Dog and EST
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Tuesday, March 21, 2006 2:22 AM
Hope you found this new home for our continuing conversation. 
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Originally posted by fathounddawg:
I read a funny article today called "Who's Hugh Weaving?" or something like that, talking about how his characters are so well known but he as an actor isn't widely recognized. And he likes it that way.
Hm...now the craving can't be denied. The coffee shop on campus used to make these delicious foccacia sandwiches. I don't think they still do, though.
(All this bread talk reminds me of my days working at a deli. I can't remember half the crazy ways people pronouced "foccacia." Fo-kay-cia, fo-cut-ya, and my personal favorite, fo-crotch-ia.)
Please don't feel bad about it, it wasn't rude at all. It's something I really need to get over, especially if I do end up going to grad school - what kind of a writer can be anything if she won't anyone read her stuff?
As far as manga goes, I'm no expert by any stretch, but as I understand it, it's about the same as a comic book or graphic novel. Many of them have anime series based off them, too (or are based off anime series themselves), but that isn't what makes a manga a manga. There's probably deeper cultural significance than that, but that's one Americans take on it.
Would you rather take this to email? Eliminates the need for the MB entirely. Or we could go hijack another thread...
I think I read that same article. I saw it on CNN.com.
I love focaccia, no matter how you pronounce it. Well, maybe not "fo-crotch-ia". I guess it is like bruschetta. I have heard broo-shet-ta and broo-sket-ta. I think the broo-sket-ta is actually correct. Oh well. I am just an ignorant American, what can I say?
Certainly not much of a Continental. So as a former deli employee, do you find that the best sandiwches are always made by someone else? Okay. Sometime I would be happy to read a story by Ms. Hound Dog.
A lot of my co-workers are Japanese. I should ask them if there is a cultural significance to manga. In fact, I will try to remember to do that tomorrow morning.
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Tuesday, March 21, 2006 2:56 AM
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Originally posted by est120:
I think I read that same article. I saw it on CNN.com.
I love focaccia, no matter how you pronounce it. Well, maybe not "fo-crotch-ia". I guess it is like bruschetta. I have heard broo-shet-ta and broo-sket-ta. I think the broo-sket-ta is actually correct. Oh well. I am just an ignorant American, what can I say?
Okay. Sometime I would be happy to read a story by Ms. Hound Dog.
A lot of my co-workers are Japanese. I should ask them if there is a cultural significance to manga. In fact, I will try to remember to do that tomorrow morning.
Hey, I made it!
I always worry that I'm going to mispronounce names of foods, if I'm talking about them or ordering at a restaurant. My not-so-sneaky way of getting around it is just to say it really fast and hope that no one asks me to repeat it. :) Ciabatta especially scares me...it's "cha-batta," right? I think so, but I'm never sure...
Actually, I've never had a sandwich as good as the ones I used to make myself at the deli. Everything just tasted better, down the mayo. Sadly they went out of business, so I'll have to open my own deli if I want to have more. Sigh.
I'll go through some of my stuff tonight and pick out the ones I think won't embarrass me.
One I have to turn in next Monday, so I'd love some feedback on it.And definitely let me know what your coworker/s say about the manga. I'm interested to hear a non-American view on it.
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Zoe: "I don't think she'd harm anyone."
Jayne: "Butcher knife!"
Zoe: "Anyone we can't spare."
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Tuesday, March 21, 2006 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by fathounddawg:
Hey, I made it!
I always worry that I'm going to mispronounce names of foods, if I'm talking about them or ordering at a restaurant. My not-so-sneaky way of getting around it is just to say it really fast and hope that no one asks me to repeat it. :) Ciabatta especially scares me...it's "cha-batta," right? I think so, but I'm never sure...
Actually, I've never had a sandwich as good as the ones I used to make myself at the deli. Everything just tasted better, down the mayo. Sadly they went out of business, so I'll have to open my own deli if I want to have more. Sigh.
I'll go through some of my stuff tonight and pick out the ones I think won't embarrass me.
And definitely let me know what your coworker/s say about the manga. I'm interested to hear a non-American view on it.
Ah. Zippy loading. What a world we live in.
Me too! But I figure that the wait staff and chefs have heard it all so it probably does not phase them much anymore.
Ciabatta I have heard a few different pronunciations. One is "see-a-batta" which I think is incorrect. Another is "cha-ba-ta" which is what you suggested and based on my only source for food information (Food Network) I think this is close but not quite. I think the "i" has to get in there so it is more like "chi-a-ba-ta". Anyway, I could be wrong (as I frequently am!). Cha-batta, Chi-a-batta, not such a big difference. So many Italian foods that I am sure I mispronounce. Panchetta, bruschetta, mozzarella. So tasty yet they leave me toungue tied! Bummer about the deli. :( Perhaps someday you could open your own deli. A writer's deli where you make sandwiches and sell your books. Hold writing contests for free sandwiches and have poetry readings or short story nights.
I would go.Sure. I will give my very non-expert opinion on your stories.
No one is here yet but I will be sure to ask about the manga. I think my Japanese co-workers are sleeping off a night of revelry after basking in the glow of Japan's victory in the World Baseball Classic last night.
I hope your standard busy Tuesday is not so busy.
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Wednesday, March 22, 2006 1:59 AM
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Originally posted by est120:
Ah. Zippy loading. What a world we live in.
Me too! But I figure that the wait staff and chefs have heard it all so it probably does not phase them much anymore.
Bummer about the deli. :( Perhaps someday you could open your own deli. A writer's deli where you make sandwiches and sell your books. Hold writing contests for free sandwiches and have poetry readings or short story nights.
Sure. I will give my very non-expert opinion on your stories.
No one is here yet but I will be sure to ask about the manga. I think my Japanese co-workers are sleeping off a night of revelry after basking in the glow of Japan's victory in the World Baseball Classic last night.
I hope your standard busy Tuesday is not so busy.
This is pretty cool - loads super fast and no scrolling for hours to get down to the bottom.
Good thinking!Unfortunately, my busy Tuesday was even busier than usual. It's almost 9 pm and I'm just finally get a chance to sit down and do things that I want to do instead of work that has to get done. I did get a lot accomplished today, though, so that's somewhat of a plus.
One of these days I'm going to learn how to say everything properly. It seems like it would be easier to go that route than give them all up. It would be even easier to just hold open the menu and point and say, "that one," but that's so annoying for waitstaff and I can't bring myself to do it. Oh well. Until my enlightenment I'll keep on muddling through the foreign words and hoping I've got them right. Italian is rough, but trying to order Chinese food makes me feel illiterate sometimes...
I've often considered that idea, actually. Not a deli, per se, but a coffee house sort of thing where the emphasis was on live readings of poems and short stories and performing songs instead of on the coffee. I've often wished for a place like that, where people could just go and meet similarly-minded writers who weren't so wrapped up in themselves as "artists" that they forget to enjoy other people's work. (There would be chocolate too, naturally, to keep endorphins flowing.
) Sometimes I think it would be a lot of fun, and then I remember how much I hated working in the food service industry. Anyway, here's a story for you: http://www.fathounddog.com/saddle.html. I don't like the title, so that's definitely going to change, but any other comments you have, please let me know. I'm thinking about turning it in as an assignment on Monday, so I'd love the help with revisions and such.
Hope you're enjoying your night and not feeling stressed. I think tonight we're going to go out for midnight pancakes to relax and celebrate (roomie's job interview went really well). It's a schoolnight, but sometimes you just have to let loose.
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Zoe: "I don't think she'd harm anyone."
Jayne: "Butcher knife!"
Zoe: "Anyone we can't spare."
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Wednesday, March 22, 2006 1:33 PM
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Originally posted by fathounddawg:
Unfortunately, my busy Tuesday was even busier than usual. It's almost 9 pm and I'm just finally get a chance to sit down and do things that I want to do instead of work that has to get done. I did get a lot accomplished today, though, so that's somewhat of a plus.
One of these days I'm going to learn how to say everything properly. It seems like it would be easier to go that route than give them all up. It would be even easier to just hold open the menu and point and say, "that one," but that's so annoying for waitstaff and I can't bring myself to do it. Oh well. Until my enlightenment I'll keep on muddling through the foreign words and hoping I've got them right. Italian is rough, but trying to order Chinese food makes me feel illiterate sometimes...
I've often considered that idea, actually. Not a deli, per se, but a coffee house sort of thing where the emphasis was on live readings of poems and short stories and performing songs instead of on the coffee. I've often wished for a place like that, where people could just go and meet similarly-minded writers who weren't so wrapped up in themselves as "artists" that they forget to enjoy other people's work. (There would be chocolate too, naturally, to keep endorphins flowing.
Anyway, here's a story for you: http://www.fathounddog.com/saddle.html. I don't like the title, so that's definitely going to change, but any other comments you have, please let me know. I'm thinking about turning it in as an assignment on Monday, so I'd love the help with revisions and such.
Hope you're enjoying your night and not feeling stressed. I think tonight we're going to go out for midnight pancakes to relax and celebrate (roomie's job interview went really well). It's a schoolnight, but sometimes you just have to let loose.
I am sorry you had such a busy day. :( I guess it happens sometimes. I had a pretty stressful Tuesday myself. :\ Oh well.
I would love to learn another language. I took French in high school and I still remember some of it. I would love to learn another one enough to become fluent or at least be able to fumble around the native country without getting lost or ending up in a dark alley somewhere.
I know what you mean about ordering in restaurants. Those places that only have the name of the dish but no description are the hardest to figure out. Sometimes I have to ask what is in them. You are going to laugh at me, but I have trouble in Chinese restaurants and I am Chinese! 
Born in the US, but that is no excuse. Big fan of chocolate, eh?
Let me ask you this, have you ever tried the Lindt brand? If not, find a store and go. They make the best chocolate truffles. Maybe someday you will get the opportunity to realize your idea of a writer's coffee house. That would be pretty neat-o. Thanks for the link. I will try to take a look at your story today. I bet it is great.
How were the pancakes? What kind of place serves pancakes at midnight? Glad your roommate's interview went well. Do you guys have an idea about when a decision will be made?
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Wednesday, March 22, 2006 4:17 PM
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Originally posted by est120:
I am sorry you had such a busy day. :( I guess it happens sometimes. I had a pretty stressful Tuesday myself. :\ Oh well.
I would love to learn another language. I took French in high school and I still remember some of it. I would love to learn another one enough to become fluent or at least be able to fumble around the native country without getting lost or ending up in a dark alley somewhere.
Big fan of chocolate, eh?
Thanks for the link. I will try to take a look at your story today. I bet it is great.
How were the pancakes? What kind of place serves pancakes at midnight? Glad your roommate's interview went well. Do you guys have an idea about when a decision will be made?
The funny thing about Tuesday is that as soon as it's over I feel like my whole week is over, too. From here til Friday it's smooth sailing.
I took five years of Spanish in jr high and high school and loved it. I took three more semesters of it here at school. I thought I was going to minor in it, but with the double major already it was just too much to take on with any hope of graduating on time. It was hard sometimes, but I really miss it now.
Oh well...add it to the list of extra things I want to do after college. Cooking, Spanish...I'd like to learn Gaelic, too, just for fun.
Oh boy, you know your chocolate! I *love* Lindt chocolate. That stuff is amazing. My mom sent me some for Valentine's Day.
The truffles are my favorite, too. They just melt in your mouth. It's like eating heaven. :)Pancakes were good. Well, the excursion was good (we actually got some people to join us), but I didn't end up having pancakes after all. We go to Eat'n'Park, which I guess is Western PA's answer to Denny's. I've never encountered them anywhere but out here, so I don't know how widespread the chain is. It's open 24 hours though and the service is pretty good, even in the wee hours of the morning. Can't be that!
As far as my roommate goes, I think she was told she can expect to hear on or by April 10th. Until then, she has a couple more interviews, so...we'll see!
I hope your Wednesday goes better than your Tuesday.
I hope the weather isn't any indication of how things are going to go today. I think it's actually gotten colder here since Spring officially began...--------------------
Zoe: "I don't think she'd harm anyone."
Jayne: "Butcher knife!"
Zoe: "Anyone we can't spare."
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Wednesday, March 22, 2006 6:24 PM
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Originally posted by fathounddawg:
The funny thing about Tuesday is that as soon as it's over I feel like my whole week is over, too. From here til Friday it's smooth sailing.
I took five years of Spanish in jr high and high school and loved it. I took three more semesters of it here at school. I thought I was going to minor in it, but with the double major already it was just too much to take on with any hope of graduating on time. It was hard sometimes, but I really miss it now.
Oh well...add it to the list of extra things I want to do after college. Cooking, Spanish...I'd like to learn Gaelic, too, just for fun.
Oh boy, you know your chocolate! I *love* Lindt chocolate. That stuff is amazing. My mom sent me some for Valentine's Day.
Pancakes were good. Well, the excursion was good (we actually got some people to join us), but I didn't end up having pancakes after all. We go to Eat'n'Park, which I guess is Western PA's answer to Denny's. I've never encountered them anywhere but out here, so I don't know how widespread the chain is. It's open 24 hours though and the service is pretty good, even in the wee hours of the morning. Can't be that!
As far as my roommate goes, I think she was told she can expect to hear on or by April 10th. Until then, she has a couple more interviews, so...we'll see!
I hope your Wednesday goes better than your Tuesday.
So Tuesday is your "hump day" unlike Wednesday for other people. Interesting...
Oh yes, Lindt is the best. Better than Godiva in my opinion and certainly better than the major market brands like Hershey's (even though ChocolateWorld in Hershey PA is an interesting place). I agree. Melt in your mouth. Not sure if it like eating Heaven, but it certainly is very good.
I like the mixed bag that has all kinds of different ones. Tasty stuff. Is there a Lindt store near you?I remember Eat n' Park. There is one in State College where I went to grad school. To be honest, I never went there. I do remember people bringing in those smilely face cookies to work sometimes. I like those. Very "cakey".
It is cold here too, at least, cold for around here at this time of year. I cannot complain too much, though. The winter sure was mild here.
I read through your story. So sad! :( What kind of comments are you looking for? Typos? I did not see any.
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Wednesday, March 22, 2006 6:47 PM
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Originally posted by est120:
Oh yes, Lindt is the best. Better than Godiva in my opinion and certainly better than the major market brands like Hershey's (even though ChocolateWorld in Hershey PA is an interesting place). I agree. Melt in your mouth. Not sure if it like eating Heaven, but it certainly is very good.
I remember Eat n' Park. There is one in State College where I went to grad school. To be honest, I never went there. I do remember people bringing in those smilely face cookies to work sometimes. I like those. Very "cakey".
It is cold here too, at least, cold for around here at this time of year. I cannot complain too much, though. The winter sure was mild here.
I read through your story. So sad! :( What kind of comments are you looking for? Typos? I did not see any.
No Lindt stores around here that I know of, but back at home there's a HUGE one. Coincidentally, right across the street from the deli where I used to work.
Come to think of it, I've never actually been inside the place. Too overwhelming, maybe. I have this sort of idea of the place as like my chocolate Mecca...don't want to visit it just any old day. :) Yes, I take chocolate very seriously! lolAs far as the story goes, anything that you thought was unclear or that you didn't quite understand, things you want to see more of or less of, places where it felt awkward. Stuff like that.
And now, at 2 in the afternoon, my class day finally begins.
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Zoe: "I don't think she'd harm anyone."
Jayne: "Butcher knife!"
Zoe: "Anyone we can't spare."
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Wednesday, March 22, 2006 9:39 PM
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Originally posted by fathounddawg:
No Lindt stores around here that I know of, but back at home there's a HUGE one. Coincidentally, right across the street from the deli where I used to work.
As far as the story goes, anything that you thought was unclear or that you didn't quite understand, things you want to see more of or less of, places where it felt awkward. Stuff like that.
And now, at 2 in the afternoon, my class day finally begins.
Well, out of curiosity, I checked and did not find any Lindt stores in Pittsburgh, sorry. I guess you will have to get a bag every time you visit your family.
Okay, a couple of comments on your story.
Keep in mind, I am in no way a literary authority nor am I education in editing in any way.1. In the first line, the story mentions "my father" but in the rest of the story, he is referred to as "Daddy". Perhaps the first mention of him should also be "Daddy" to be consistent and to emphasize how the narrator views her father.
2. In the paragraph describing how the narrator feels after being crushed by her horse, the sentence "I fell asleep then, sprawled out on the hill, and woke much later in the hospital." Perhaps change the word "woke" to "awoke".
3. Perhaps you could describe the "Hunt" in just a sentence or two. Might help to explain why the narrator is so keen to go.
I realize these are mostly just editorial types of thing and perhaps not incredibly helpful. I enjoyed reading it, though. Thanks for sharing.
I almost forgot! I asked one of my Japanese co-workers about manga yesterday. He said that one misconception about manga is that manga = comic book which is not true. He said manga refers to all forms of media concerning these types of hand drawn or animated characters. TV shows, movies, comic books are all manga. He told me that manga has been around since before he was a child (he is in his 40s now) and that it started off more for children but evolved to include more adult themed stories though children's stories are also manga as well. He also said that manga is used as an outlet for writers who are overly creative since the Japanese film industry does not have the kind of money that the US industry does so in order to produce stories that would be incredibly expensive to do live-action, some people turn to animated films and shows. Anyway, if you have any more questions on the subject, I feel confident he would be happy to try and answer.
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Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:39 AM
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Originally posted by est120:
Okay, a couple of comments on your story.
1. In the first line, the story mentions "my father" but in the rest of the story, he is referred to as "Daddy". Perhaps the first mention of him should also be "Daddy" to be consistent and to emphasize how the narrator views her father.
2. In the paragraph describing how the narrator feels after being crushed by her horse, the sentence "I fell asleep then, sprawled out on the hill, and woke much later in the hospital." Perhaps change the word "woke" to "awoke".
3. Perhaps you could describe the "Hunt" in just a sentence or two. Might help to explain why the narrator is so keen to go.
I realize these are mostly just editorial types of thing and perhaps not incredibly helpful. I enjoyed reading it, though. Thanks for sharing.
I almost forgot! I asked one of my Japanese co-workers about manga yesterday. He said that one misconception about manga is that manga = comic book which is not true. He said manga refers to all forms of media concerning these types of hand drawn or animated characters. TV shows, movies, comic books are all manga. He told me that manga has been around since before he was a child (he is in his 40s now) and that it started off more for children but evolved to include more adult themed stories though children's stories are also manga as well. He also said that manga is used as an outlet for writers who are overly creative since the Japanese film industry does not have the kind of money that the US industry does so in order to produce stories that would be incredibly expensive to do live-action, some people turn to animated films and shows. Anyway, if you have any more questions on the subject, I feel confident he would be happy to try and answer.
Thanks so much for reading it and giving me feedback.
Was it too depressing, do you think? Did you "get" it, or was it too obscure?Very cool about the manga. You learn something new every day, I guess.
Anime, then, must be a sort of sub-category of manga, not it's own thing like I'd always assumed. Don't I feel all cultured now. Sorry this isn't longer, but I'm so sleepy. I can't think of anything but a shower and my bed. Have a great night, EST!
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Zoe: "I don't think she'd harm anyone."
Jayne: "Butcher knife!"
Zoe: "Anyone we can't spare."
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