Re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic
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Looking at my taxes I appear to work for the US government 50% of the time, or at least they seem to take about 50% of what I earn.
It doesnt surprise me that you are in the tinfoil hat brigade. As to the question "did anyone think Bin Laden would hit the US?" It was only a matter of time. These things do not come out of the blue, if you studied nazi retoric in the 1930's you would know that the final solution was coming. Churchill understood that Stalin was bad news even during the war and the "Afgahan Arabs" that went to fight the Russians and who became Al Queda were extremely forthcoming about their eventual objectives. It wasn't that a conspiracy existed that hid any of those facts, it was that people didn't want to take them seriously. Responding to a threat takes time and money which will be wasted if the threat fails to materialise. Hence faced with a the choice between spending tax dollars guarding against an unlikely disasterous consequence or just hoping it never happens most folks hope it doesnt happen.
Prediction for you. Al Q won't get a suitcase nuke --- too costly, hard to distribute and use. A dirty bomb is more a terror weapon than a real killer. Next big move for maximum impact. Infect "martyrs" with something nasty and send them on international flights which start and terminate through at least 2 major hubs.
Look for a SE Asian, travelling with a woman, booked on one journey with multiple connections or undertaking several shorter flights in a 2 day period.
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FLETCH2 wrote:
Looking at my taxes I appear to work for the US government 50% of the time, or at least they seem to take about 50% of what I earn.
You can cure that by starting your business, as a sole proprietorship. Pick your hobby - or hobbies. Then you can deduct all your expenses (vacations, vehicles, inventory) from your regular salary. The art is being able to live your life as that 2nd business. What rich folk call a "tax shelter". Businesses pay no taxes, even when they profit by billions of dollars. You don't even have to steal 100$ of million$ in corporate welfare, like the Bushes, to make a real profit. You just double your income by not paying income tax nor sales tax. And your business might eventually make you more money than your slave job.
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Hero, what do you prosecute?
Speeding, Domestic Violance, DUI's and all points in between. Throw in a child rapist or two as well.
Pirate's 'Crazy Talk' about victimless crimes means he probably was convicted of something like a DUI, drug possession, or consential sex with a minor (I only say that because thats a term I've seen most commonly associated with those crimes, I'm sorry if thats not the case). He seems to take the 'Freeman' approach to law enforcement. They are a group of people who are like ultra-liberatarians but whose lifestyle practice is limited to picking and choosing the laws and rules they want to obey.
I also note my disagreement with the 'Crazy Talk' notion that the country was founded on killing lawyers and judges. This country was founded on the quiet deliberation of lawyers like John Adams (who successfully defended the soldiers from the Boston Massacre in fron of a Boston jury) and not the drunken radicalism of his brother Sam (who makes a fine beer, but was no statesman).
That said I want to thank Mr. Pirate for his crazy talk contributions to the intellectual discourse of this forum. I'd invite him to break the laws of my City, so I could properly aquaint him with how justice is truly served...but I've got plenty of local loonies to deal with already.
So you're Nurse Ratchet living in a Loony Bin called Misdemeanor Court... I call it Slave Court. It sure ain't NOTHIN like the People's Court on TeeVee. When a defendant don't know Rules of Procedure, nor what "pro se" means, they get eaten alive by the judge, with or without a lawyer.
Death Squads in USA
What a depressing hellhole to work in, day after day, month after month, year after year. I bet you drink A LOT of alcohol. You're aimin' to be one of them greedy poly tick-ians (many blood-sucking creatures). Probably want an invitation to take your clothes off at Bohemian Grove, and hold Georgie Bush's weewee.
Yeah, the Revolutionary War was a conspiracy theory. And history books are a figment of imagination.
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"I saw two officers as before, who rode up to me, with their pistols in their hands, said God damn you stop, if go an Inch further, you are a dead Man, and swore if we did not turn in to that pasture, they would blow our brains out. Major Mitchel of the 5th Regt clapd his Pistol to my head, and said he was going to ask me some questions, if I did not tell the truth, he would blow my brains out. I told him I esteemed myself a man of truth, that he had stopped me on the highway, & made me a prisoner, I knew not by what right; I would tell him the truth; I was not afraid."
—Lt Col Paul Revere, owner of RevereWare, sworn affidavit: "Memorandum on Events of April 18, 1775" (declassified Top Secret), while under arrest (and subsequent escape) from Redcoat martial-law traffic police at Minute Man National Historic Park, Paul Revere Capture Site, on the eve of the American Revolutionary War and kicking off the Battle of Lexington and Concord, against the army, navy and courts of King George III, heriditary dictator of England who attempted "gun control" by an Assault WeaponsNOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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Looking at my taxes I appear to work for the US government 50% of the time, or at least they seem to take about 50% of what I earn.
Everytime I think you're just being an arrogant prig, you go and prove me wrong. This was pretty funny. I'm not wealthy enough to work for the govt. 50% of the time ;)
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It doesnt surprise me that you are in the tinfoil hat brigade.
I'm really not. I'm just thinking outside the box, looking at all the unimaginative inside the box thinkers and trying to shake them. I don't buy into master govt. plot to control us, but everything I said about MKUltra is true. Fact: Leary and co. did their work on govt. grants. fact. Fact: pentagon admitted to experiments with these drugs on soldiers. Fact: Said drugs reached the black market. Fact: population is less resistant to govt as a result. I think none of these are even remotely disputable, they're all well established. I don't think there was an underlying master scheme involved. I don't even think that PN thinks there was.
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As to the question "did anyone think Bin Laden would hit the US?"
On second though, you're a spinmeister. This was extremely not even remotely the question. We all know a fair number of folks in the CIA plus Richard Clarke thought so.
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It was only a matter of time. These things do not come out of the blue, if you studied nazi retoric in the 1930's you would know that the final solution was coming.
I know this, and if you study the parallel, it's coming around again. But this doesn't stop the fact that both were considered to be tinfoil hat land or the equivalent before they happened by obstinate folk who couldn't think outside the box.
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Churchill understood that Stalin was bad news even during the war and the "Afgahan Arabs" that went to fight the Russians and who became Al Queda were extremely forthcoming about their eventual objectives. It wasn't that a conspiracy existed that hid any of those facts, it was that people didn't want to take them seriously.
I really agree. As your are not taking it seriously now.
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Responding to a threat takes time and money which will be wasted if the threat fails to materialise.
Possibly. Also possble that people were unimaginative. Or possibly they didn't care.
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Hence faced with a the choice between spending tax dollars guarding against an unlikely disasterous consequence or just hoping it never happens most folks hope it doesnt happen.
Or they wanted it to happen.
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Prediction for you. Al Q won't get a suitcase nuke --- too costly, hard to distribute and use. A dirty bomb is more a terror weapon than a real killer. Next big move for maximum impact. Infect "martyrs" with something nasty and send them on international flights which start and terminate through at least 2 major hubs.
Honestly Bush, his sponsor, won't let him.
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Look for a SE Asian, travelling with a woman, booked on one journey with multiple connections or undertaking several shorter flights in a 2 day period.
My prediction: The nuclear attack will be against Israel, and it will come from one of our own allies. Either an arabian peninsular, or a former soviet satellite state, possibly pakistan, and it will come by sea across the mediterranean o the north coast of Israel. If I were Finn I'd look into it.
Actually, Finn, you know more about this than we do, give us you assessment, most likely scenario in which someone makes a nuclear strike.
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Actually you miss the plot as usual. You are suggesting that folks that foresaw the final solution or 9/11 were thinking "outside the box" and that somehow that is conparable to the foil hat brigade. The two are not even slightly similar, reasonable educated people could see the way things were going in the 1930's, folks knew what Al Q was capable of prior to 9/11. Nobody but the foil hats believes that the Greys and/or the Bavarian Illuminati or whoever really run the world.
MKUltra didn't exist, like I said even the foil hats came to the conclusion that a secret project that has the purpose of the project in the code name was a bit fishy. Overlord was not called the "let's invade mainland Europe" plan for the same reason. Super secret code names dont contain clues to what they are about, that's stupid. Yes lots of work was done on torture, drugs for interrogation, incapacitants and chemical weapons. There is actual film of US servicemen dosed with LSD and sent into the field to see if they would still function as a unit. Current US government none lethal weapons are still tested on US service personnel.
The point wasn't to make brainwashed tail for bizarre leadership orgies or other weirdness it was to come up with ways to incapacitate an enemy because ironically, living casualties are more of a problem for your enemy than dead ones. Put enough men out of action without killing them and your opposition will grind to a halt.
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You are suggesting that folks that foresaw the final solution or 9/11 were thinking "outside the box" and that somehow that is conparable to the foil hat brigade.
No, it's the dogmatic perpetual denial that there is ever anything untoward transpiring that I call "inside the box" thinking. 90% of the tinfoil hat junk is nonsense. That doesn't mean, as you seem to often take it to me, that everything is on the up and up. It's a bit odd that both candidates in the last election were members of the same elitist fraternity chapter. It's not just a casual coincidence.
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The two are not even slightly similar, reasonable educated people could see the way things were going in the 1930's, folks knew what Al Q was capable of prior to 9/11.
I'm a reasonable educated person. I can see things are a bit off. I know people who are in relatively high positions who think that things are more than a bit off. People without the slightest bit of a tinfoil hat. I mean, there are people I know causally in govt. who think Bush knocked down the towers, but that doesn't mean they don't also have tinfoil hats, but I also know some who are completely straight arrows, but who can see outside this box and say to me that things are not completely on the level.
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Nobody but the foil hats believes that the Greys and/or the Bavarian Illuminati or whoever really run the world.
Of course. The bavarian illuminati doesn't exist. I don't know what greys is. Skull and bones doesn't rule the world. PNAC does :)
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MKUltra didn't exist, like I said even the foil hats came to the conclusion that a secret project that has the purpose of the project in the code name was a bit fishy.
Our govt. has already admitted that a drug-based program did exist, I have no idea what it was called.
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Overlord was not called the "let's invade mainland Europe" plan for the same reason. Super secret code names dont contain clues to what they are about, that's stupid. Yes lots of work was done on torture, drugs for interrogation, incapacitants and chemical weapons. There is actual film of US servicemen dosed with LSD and sent into the field to see if they would still function as a unit. Current US government none lethal weapons are still tested on US service personnel.
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The point wasn't to make brainwashed tail for bizarre leadership orgies or other weirdness it was to come up with ways to incapacitate an enemy because ironically, living casualties are more of a problem for your enemy than dead ones. Put enough men out of action without killing them and your opposition will grind to a halt.
Of course not, I never said it was. Okay, I just search on "MKULTRA" No one but you seems to think MK stood for Mind Kontrol. Wikipedia is very sure it's very real. Hey, my local republicans know these guys, er.. knew these guys. This suddenly becomes real verifiable. According to the entry the stated purpose was interrogation. I read elsewhere it was to soften resitance to extreme orders, which would also fit, as interrogation itself is an extreme order. It would also fit in very well with the overall scheme of early nuclear age experiments preparing for a possible nuclear war.
LSD, barbiturate, amphetamine, heroin, mescaline, psilocybin, scopolamine, marijuana, alcohol, and sodium pentothal.
I don't think that anyone thinks the CIA had any interest in mind other than protecting America, and I'm certainly not saying so now.
The way I took the idea was that public was under the influence of these drugs, and thus sedated or otherwise incapacitated from resisting the extreme agenda, not by design but as a matter of course.
Let's revisit this:
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MKUltra didn't exist
So that...
In hopes that we can put this idea that "MKULTRA never existed" to bed:
On the CIA's own website, MKULTRA is mentioned as a "drug testing" program which was put on a list of programs discontinues after watergate for being inconsistant with the agency's charter.
The point is, ther
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oldenglanddry wrote:
Friday, March 17, 2006 05:24
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USA no longer exists thanks to NAFTA SHAFTA, which merged USA with Mexico and Canada, which is part of 55-nation British Commonwealth, run by the German dictator Queen of England, for the "British" Empire
Ahh, if only that were true. But it cant be or British actors would be getting better parts in American films.
I agree with Piratenews , the USA as it was no longer exist thanks to programs like NAFTA. IT IS TRUE...some of you guys are just slow on the up take. the USA is gone, about time you realize it, too bad because its already to late to do anything about it.
its all about the corporations, and thanks to the black box voting machines our future is pretty much a done deal, actually the future is now, most people just don't want to see it or believe it.
so just keep on wasting your energy yapping about the Republicans and Democrates, neither party is worth 2 cents the packaging might be a little diffrent but in the end the diffrence isn't enough to make a diffrence
whoes side are you on?
I'm on nobodys side because nobody is on my side
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My general problem is the fact that anything bad done by America is apparently the fault of British Commie Nazi Jews. Anything that leads to PN not getting and doing what he wants 100% of the time is a conspiracy by the aformentioned British Commie Nazi Jews.
All I see most of the time is PN ranting about not being allowed to do what he wants all the time, having to live in society with other people. Selfishness drives most of his rants, not divine knowledge.
Also it's funny how the British Empire et al never appeared in PN's rants prior to him finding out I was British and that I disagreed with his conspiracy theories about just plain ol' Commie Nazi Jews.
Glad I could help with adding another player to la la land...
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity. But I know none, and therefore am no beast.
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We the people *are* the corporations. Obsessed that the corporations are taking over? Go down and sign up, become a corporation. It's easier than joining the military. Hell, become a lobby group, PAC, be the "special interests." Become a faith-based initative. All of these things are just euphamisms for the American People. Politicians and tin foil hat ranters alike want voters to focus their anger against the American people. Turn us against one another, ignore the real enemies of america.
Here are the enemies of America: Al Qaeda and their sponsors in the arabian penninsula. Communists everywhere. Criminals within the US but don't follow the rules of America. One of my problems with Bush is that he seems to be in league with all three. My other problem with him is that he is incompetent, and if he were my employee I'd fire him.
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My other problem with him is that he is incompetent, and if he were my employee I'd fire him.
Erm, you know he kinda is...
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity. But I know none, and therefore am no beast.
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oldenglanddry wrote:
Friday, March 17, 2006 05:24
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oldenglanddry wrote:
USA no longer exists thanks to NAFTA SHAFTA, which merged USA with Mexico and Canada, which is part of 55-nation British Commonwealth, run by the German dictator Queen of England, for the "British" Empire
Ahh, if only that were true. But it cant be or British actors would be getting better parts in American films.
I agree with Piratenews , the USA as it was no longer exist thanks to programs like NAFTA. IT IS TRUE...some of you guys are just slow on the up take. the USA is gone, about time you realize it, too bad because its already to late to do anything about it.
its all about the corporations, and thanks to the black box voting machines our future is pretty much a done deal, actually the future is now, most people just don't want to see it or believe it.
so just keep on wasting your energy yapping about the Republicans and Democrates, neither party is worth 2 cents the packaging might be a little diffrent but in the end the diffrence isn't enough to make a diffrence
whoes side are you on?
I'm on nobodys side because nobody is on my side
I also agree with PIRATENEWS, I just wish he would'nt insult the Queen (God bless 'er).
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