Where do you start?
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Finn,
It was in science news a couple years ago, and I checked the source, domesticated dogs 100,000 bc appears to be a reality. At the very least, I was not making it up. Scientists can of course be wrong.
You make a strong case though. I didn't know about the origin of bows. Even so...
Animals sometimes use fairly complex tool set ups, and there are several species that engage in art. I'm not sure about representational art.
But, the snag here is that your date for written language is really a date for phoenetic language. The drawings were often early pictograms, and series of drawings appeared on cave walls to tell stories, I don't have a date. Long before 3500 bc series of tallies appear on a cave walls as a form of written language. I'm not sure, it's just a stab in the dark, but I think you'll find written language in its most basic form: the transcribing of marks to convey information to date back much further, to shortly after the arrival of cromagnon man, maybe 35,000 years.
Okay I just googled it and got 30,000.
Written language still in the runnning for being the lone trait of humans.
I think the point is, social animal plus hands plus brain plus something to write on make written language. Octopus isn't real social, though squid is, but ocean life isn't real writing-friendly. Still, could happen.
I say rats probably next in line.
Britet,
Written language allows information to pass on from one generation to another. Syntax only aids regular communication. Many species have language with reasonably sophistiated syntax. Some squids actually, come to think of it, have a written language of exact syntax, but it's not persistant. Monkeys have syntax, as do dolphins, including a complex system of personal-family names.
I agree that cromagnon was not really any different from humans in his ability to think, if I recall correctly he did not possess the wide range of vocals that we do.
I don't think that primitive agriculture is unique to humans.
Yeah, that was basically what I said. I believe of all the things mentioned, written language is still the earliest uniquely human trait to evolve, and logically it can be show how that would cause the drastic difference between humans and other animals. An infinite amount of knowledge will make a huge difference.
That in mind, the internet is a far more seriosu event then it would otherwise seem.
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