Why terrorists will ultimately fail...

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CHRISISALL

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 4:15 PM

This is a must-see clip. This woman is brave.
http://www.memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=1050#
Here's the link to the NYT article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/11/international/middleeast/11sultan.ht
ml?ex=1143003600&en=f61aaa1551878dd9&ei=5070&emc=eta1

Their time is past, and the tail is still thashing about.

Chrisisall in the 21st

HERO

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 4:58 PM

This is why terrorists will ultimately fail...

< http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/>

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I knew right after September the 11th, though, that the attacks would begin to fade in people's memory. I mean, who wants to constantly go through life thinking that you're going to get hit again? Who wants to kind of re-live those days in your memory? As a matter of fact, I asked the American people to go on about your life. But given the fact that it's human nature to forget, or try to put in the past, put the pain in the past, I want to assure you and our fellow Americans I'm not going to put it in the past. The threat to the United States is forefront in my mind. I knew that at times people would say, you know, it may be an isolated incident, let's just don't worry about it. Well, for me it's not an isolated incident. I understand there is still an enemy which lurks out there.

And so part of my decision-making process, part of it as you see when I begin to protect you, to do my number one priority, rests upon this fact: that there is an enemy which is relentless and desirous to bring harm to the American people, because of what we believe in. See, we're in an ideological struggle. It's very important for the students here to understand that there is an enemy which has an ideology, and they're driven by an ideology. They make decisions based upon their view of the world, which is the exact opposite of our view of the world.

Perhaps the best way to describe their political vision is to remind you what life was like for people living in Afghanistan when the Taliban was running that country with al Qaeda as the parasite. If you were a young girl in that society, you had no chance to get educated. If you spoke out against the view of these folks, their religious view, you could be taken to the public square and whipped. In other words, there was not freedom. There wasn't freedom to worship the way you want to, just like we believe here in the United States of America. You can worship, you can not worship in our country, and you're equally American. You can be a Christian, Jew or Muslim, and you're equally American. It's the greatness of the United States of America which -- (applause) -- which stands in stark contrast to what these ideologues believe.

Their vision of the world is dark and dim. They have got desires to spread a totalitarian empire. How do we know? Because they told us. Mr. Zawahiri, the number two in the al Qaeda network, told the world such. He might not have wanted us to read that particular thing he was sending, but nevertheless we did. And he said that, here's our designs and our desires. In other words, these people have got an ideology, and strategy to implement the ideology. They've got a -- they have no heart, no conscience. They kill innocent men, women and children to achieve their objective. These folks cannot be appeased. We can't hope that nice words will change their point of view.

And so the decision I made right off the bat is we will find them, and we will hunt them down, and we will bring them to justice before they hurt America again.

Its really the last line that sums it all up.

H

CARTOON

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 5:19 PM

Hey, Chris. I clicked on that link and... well, I have dial-up (need I say more?)...

Could you pity a poor guy who has to go back to work (and hasn't the patience to wait a few weeks for the video to load), and give me the gist of what the lady said?

Thanks.

BTW, great seeing you again, Mr. Prosecutor (that's for Hero, Chris, not you)(although, sometimes you act like a prosecutor)(that second parenthetical statement was for Chris, not Hero)(these parenthetical statements get confusing after a while)...

HARDWARE

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 5:52 PM

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Originally posted by Hero:

And so the decision I made right off the bat is we will find them, and we will hunt them down, and we will bring them to justice before they hurt America again.

I understand George W has a new plan to kill Osama Bin Laden. It's called Operation Natural Causes.

He's been scouring his ranch in Crawford looking for any sign of OBL.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

SIGMANUNKI

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 6:05 PM

@Cartoon:

The transcript:

http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=1050

EDIT: Is she still alive?

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"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki

CARTOON

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 6:23 PM

Much obliged, SigmaNunki. Much, much, much obliged. (Did I tell you I had dial-up?) Much, much, much, much, much, obliged.

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
EDIT: Is she still alive?

Indeed. The woman is lot braver than I am.

This was aired on Al-Jazeera? Oh dear. She's practically painted a target on her face, saying, "Come on, right here!!"

I have to disagree with her one comment, however -- the one about one culture treating women like "beasts" and the other culture treating them like "human beings".

I agree with the "beasts" part of the comment for the one culture, but apparently she hasn't seen much western advertising if she thinks we treat women like "human beings". I'd say more like "sex objects". Or perhaps a cross between "human being" one moment and "sex object" the next. I guess it depends on which advertising (or which literature, tv, or movies) you view.

SIGMANUNKI

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:44 PM

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Originally posted by cartoon:

I guess it depends on which advertising (or which literature, tv, or movies) you view.

Indeed. Because that exact same thing could be said about men as well.

I'd say that advertisers use sex whenever possible regardless of who they are advertising for, kids included.

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"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:09 AM

While fundamentally agreeing with her premise, I disagree with just about everything else she says.

First of all, there is no assurance that Western society will survive. Having read "Collapse" I no longer believe that knowledge will always be salavaged from collective experience. It is possible for an entire society to go off the rails and die- especially very highly developed, interdependent societies that can't possibly take a step backwards and still survive.

Furthermore, while I don't see Jews blowing themselves up in German cafes, I do see Israel bulldozing, strafing, and bombing entire communities. I do see the USA killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians in Iraq. Just because it's government-sponsored, large-scale- and impersonal doesn't make it "not terrorism", which was decided in a previous thread to be creating a state of terror in civilian population for political ends.

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Free as in freedom, not beer.

GINOBIFFARONI

Thursday, March 16, 2006 3:30 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
While fundamentally agreeing with her premise, I disagree with just about everything else she says.

First of all, there is no assurance that Western society will survive. Having read "Collapse" I no longer believe that knowledge will always be salavaged from collective experience. It is possible for an entire society to go off the rails and die- especially very highly developed, interdependent societies that can't possibly take a step backwards and still survive.

Furthermore, while I don't see Jews blowing themselves up in German cafes, I do see Israel bulldozing, strafing, and bombing entire communities. I do see the USA killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians in Iraq. Just because it's government-sponsored, large-scale- and impersonal doesn't make it "not terrorism", which was decided in a previous thread to be creating a state of terror in civilian population for political ends.

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Free as in freedom, not beer.

I so want to start a " Why terrorists will ultimately win... " thread.... but instead I'll sit back and watch it happen. Reminds me of that speech Adama gave at Galacticas retirement ceremony, something about that nobody ever asked if humans deserved to survive.

All empires eventually fall, and I think in my lifetime we will see the Americans follow the Russians and the Brits who came before them. To be truthful, I think the world will be better for it.

" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "

The Killers

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/killers/allthesethingsthativedone.html

KPO

Thursday, March 16, 2006 3:34 AM

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I do see the USA killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians in Iraq

I'm sure you don't. The total figure for civilian deaths caused by military action of the US and its allies is a number just under ten thousand I believe, and is pretty much stationary so I don't like your use of the present tense.

If you're talking about the ongoing killing of civilians after the war's end you are highlighting (for the most part) the violence of certain radical elements of iraqi/arab society (causing many more deaths than coalition forces). Whatever blame you might attach to the US forces in Iraq for failing to prevent this, raising the issue of muslims killing other muslims in the first place is surely only reinforcing the arab-american lady's view...?

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