any christians here in this entire site please stand up
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Quote:That’s the story. Abraham then moves to Canaan, because god has promise the land of Canaan to the Hebrews. This is a common theme throughout the old books of the bible. The Hebrews are always depicted as going to Canaan.
Originally posted by Crackers:
Well if you really want to get technical about it the Israelites are Mesopatamian. Abraham came from the ancient city of Ur - which translates in modern terms to ancient Iraq.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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I am a Christian and I am proud to say so
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LEELU7777, RIVER6213, JUGGLESGEESE, CARTOON, HAZE, DAX82, GIZMO, PIFFLE101, RUMFINATOR, CRACKERS, CAPTAINREYNOLDS
I was wondering what it means to you to be Christian?
So I'd appreciate your responses, but I'm also curious about specifics:
Do you worry about money?
Do you support war and the death penalty?
Do you love everyone? (enemies included)
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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Hey, still in my first few posts but I love the show.
Don't want to upset anyone, but I can honestly say (being a Christian) that very few people are brought to a relationship with God by discussing the minutiae of historical detail and archaelogical finds. I love archaeology and Biblical History, and there is evidence for the validity of the Bible, but in the end it is God, through the Spirit, who brings people to him, and not us.
In response to one of the first posts I read, I love when an atheist says to me that they hate me. Or they think I'm brainwashed. It is a great opportunity. As a Christian, you shouldn't take insult when the world hates you, because they hated Jesus first, and he promised that you would be hated.
Jesus himself said that love was the greatest of all things to aspire to, which means that even if we don't agree, we should love, respect and cherish one another - not because we deserve it - because we are all created by God and equally in need of him.
There is an abundance of evidence for the truth in the Christian faith, but there is a huge gap between that evidence and its conclusion (that God and his Son Jesus are Sovereign). That gap is faith, and we can only bridge it through Christ.
Right, I've got to go be sociable, as people are swarming my house.
Look forward to talking to you all again.
Pete.
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G'day Finn. Yes you are right about Abraham and his crew moving into Caanan. Didn't want to get to techbical sprouting off historical jargon.
Anyway good to make your aquantence.
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Originally posted by rue:
LEELU7777, RIVER6213, JUGGLESGEESE, CARTOON, HAZE, DAX82, GIZMO, PIFFLE101, RUMFINATOR, CRACKERS, CAPTAINREYNOLDS
I was wondering what it means to you to be Christian?
So I'd appreciate your responses, but I'm also curious about specifics:
Do you worry about money?
Do you support war and the death penalty?
Do you love everyone? (enemies included)
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
to respond to your specific questions
Do you worry about money? i dont really know what you mean, but i feel this way about money: 10 percent of what you make should be given back to God, and the rest is yours to do with as you please
Do you support war and the death penalty? yes, i do support war and the death penalty, because it says in the Bible "an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth"
Do you love everyone? i cannot say that i do, but i know that i should
aside from those questions, i can say that being a Christian means following God, and doing what is right regardless of what people think about it...moral purity, and all that
feel free to ask any more questions
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As a Christian, you shouldn't take insult when the world hates you, because they hated Jesus first, and he promised that you would be hated.
"I'm not brainwashed, but I repeat what's been beaten(verbally) into me all my life, the Christian persecution complex". The entire religion is based on the supposed persecution of a man for which there is no contemporary historical evidence. You do know that every cult in the world uses the same strategy right?
Look at Scientology for a nice contemporary example, or the Mormons(whose founding was so obviously a fraud that everyone simply laughed them out of town in New England)
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Do you worry about money? i dont really know what you mean, but i feel this way about money: 10 percent of what you make should be given back to God, and the rest is yours to do with as you please
So how do you know that your God is getting it? I've never seen a published account or donation service officially endorsed by the Deity, and what does he need with cash anyway? Being all powerful he can make tons of it with the snap of a finger. You're giving your money to frauds, who use your religion to line their pockets. Until they can produce God, and have him testify in court who his One True(TM) Banker is, you have no way of knowing, and based on the history of religion and money, calling shenanigans is simply a logical conclusion.
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Do you support war and the death penalty? yes, i do support war and the death penalty, because it says in the Bible "an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth"
How about "thou shalt not kill" (unless of course god orders you to go over and genocide the nonbelievers)? Do you believe that gays and shrimp eaters should be executed on the spot? Do you believe children should be eaten by a bear for making fun of a bald man? How about women being forced into silence in public? Selling children into slavery? That if you have mildew in your house and killing birds over water with scarlet yarn and hysop doesn't work you have to knock down your house and drag it to the holy dumping ground?. You can't cherry pick your holy text.
Here's question (though I'd like answers on the above as well), do you support the death penalty, but condemn abortion?
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Originally posted by SwordofWhedon:
How about "thou shalt not kill" (unless of course god orders you to go over and genocide the nonbelievers)?
Here's question (though I'd like answers on the above as well), do you support the death penalty, but condemn abortion?
Something from the tone of your post makes me wonder why I'm bothering to answer this, as I doubt that anything I (or any other believer) says is going to satisfy you one way or the other, but in the event that I've mistaken the sincerity of your post (if I have, I apologize in advance), I'll do my best to answer your last query.
I would need to go into a thousand page response to answer all of your questions, as there are no simple, quote-from-one-verse answers to most of them. However, if you'd like serious answers, I'm willing to do so privately at your request -- again, to the best of my ability.
Regarding your question about not "killing"...
The Hebrew* reads "murder", not "kill". There's a big difference.
The Hebrew word incorrectly translated as "kill" in a lot of English translations of Exodus 20 is "ratsach". There are several different Hebrew words for "killing", including (but not limited to): "harag" another word for murder; "shachat" to kill as in animal sacrifices; "muwuth" to kill anything, etc.
Murder is the intentional taking of innocent human life. Killing would include the taking of any kind of life (human, animal, plant), including unintentionally. Unintentional killing, or intentional "legal" killing (as in war or execution of capital offenders) is fully authorized by scripture, and not considered "murder" (the Hebrew words "ratsach" and "harag" are never used when describing manslaughter, execution, killing in war, or the killing of animals and plants; they are only used for murder).
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Originally posted by SwordofWhedon:
You can't cherry pick your holy text...
No argument there. But, one also can't take a single sentence out of the context of the whole of scripture. Some of the issues you mentioned are far to complex to explain away with a reference to a single passsage.
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Quote:Seen as actual graffiti:
So how do you know that your God is getting it? I've never seen a published account or donation service officially endorsed by the Deity, and what does he need with cash anyway? Being all powerful he can make tons of it with the snap of a finger. You're giving your money to frauds, who use your religion to line their pockets. Until they can produce God, and have him testify in court who his One True(TM) Banker is, you have no way of knowing
"JESUS SAVES!"
And, written in reply: "But Moses invests"
Also, second-best graffitit: "Jesus was killed by preachers and politicians".
Sometimes, from the mouths of babes...
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Quote:But then it seems to me that Jesus superceded the OT. He could have killed those who killed him- evildoers that they were- but he didn't. In fact, I don't know of any instance in the Bible where Jesus killed anyone, and only one instance where he got pissed off (at the money changers in the Temple). So as far as I can tell, the NEW Testament message is- love your neighbor as yourself. "Thou shall not kill" is just a small subset of loving your neighbor.
Regarding your question about not "killing"...
The Hebrew* reads "murder", not "kill". There's a big difference.
Unless of course you want to justify war and capital punishment, in which case nevermind.
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