I have lost all faith in the Oscars!

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STORYMARK

Friday, March 10, 2006 7:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Gixxer:

"...So, uh, how does that apply to (off the top of my head): Million Dollar Baby, Return of the King, Braveheart, Titanic, Shakespear in Love, A Beautiful Mind, or Gladiator?..."

MDB - dunno

ROTK - racist as concerns Orcs. Gollum. That's as serious addiction problem as I've ever seen. Sam and Frodo. Pippin and Merry. Legolas with pretty much anyone of either sex he put his mind to pulling.

Braveheart - One man's Freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. The victors get to write the history. Mal did remark on the important distinction between being on the wrong and losing sides.

Titanic - racist as in locking up the Irish in steerage. (Floundering slightly - never bothered watching it. Hitting an iceberg, the boat sinks under the weight of all the Oscars, doesn't it?)

SIL - William Shakespeare has, at one time or another covered most plot lines, but racism in Othello and The Merchant of Venice. Drugs in a Midsummers Nights Dream and Romeo & Juliet. Er... that's my lot. I'm a Philistine.

BM - got me there

Gladiator - again on shaky ground, since it was so boring I never got to the end, but did he do a Spartacus, or overthrow the Empire or something? And the gladiator stuff. Goes without saying, a simmering hotbed of homoeroticism.

Er.. given the ammount of stretching done there, I'll assume this was tongue-in-cheek.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

GUNRUNNER

Friday, March 10, 2006 8:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Gixxer:

"...So, uh, how does that apply to (off the top of my head): Million Dollar Baby, Return of the King, Braveheart, Titanic, Shakespear in Love, A Beautiful Mind, or Gladiator?..."

BM - got me there

There was the whole thing where the professor was thinking he war trying to stop Renegade Russians from setting off an A-Bomb in America so Terrorism right there, and I guess some slight racism with all the use of the term "Reds".

Anyways…

Joss should have kept that scene where Inara is helping train all the Companions! Every movie that had to do with same sex loving got nominated Serenity would have had to get in by default!

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MALSDOXY

Sunday, March 12, 2006 4:43 PM

remember, it has nothing to do with 'us'...the viewers. these are given by their peers, those in the business and they saw something in 'crash' that perhaps we didn't...it is a very good movie, as were all the nominees...

"Haven't you killed me enough for one day ?"
- Mal, War Stories

6250THOMAS

Sunday, March 12, 2006 5:11 PM

The Academy Awards lost me back in 1978 when Woody Allen's "Annie Hall" got best picture instead of Star Wars. Star Wars (The first movie, now Chapter 4) broke new ground of every kind in Hollywood and was really what innovation was all about. Instead, that one-dimentional twerp Allen gets it for some boring little sit-com movie. He's been playing the same neurotic character ever since.

Gladiator lost me when, 45 minutes into the film, Crowe's character, rushing home to rescue his wife and kid, stopped to camp below Mt. Whitney in Owen's Valley (California) before arriving back in Italy. Talk about a bad location continuity error!

Was "Serenity" even nominated for anything this year?

Thomas

OTMA

Sunday, March 12, 2006 5:23 PM

One thing about the Oscars . . .The voters don't have to have seen any of the movies they are voting on. None. You can be an Oscar voter even if you have seen no movies that year.
Oscar voters vote for the kind of movies they are supposed to vote for. Sometimes, they pick a deserving candidate. Seldom do they pick the year's best.
Most awards shows aren't about artistic quality anyway. The Grammys don't even pretend. Oscar would like to think it is, but it's vision is too narrow. And, of course, like the "World Series", it's really just about the United States, except for the "foreign film" category.
Mostly, the Oscars are a big industry party, all about pretension, hype, faux suspense, and deciding which female celebrities were the best or worst fashion plates (the men mostly dress alike)
In the end, the Oscars are just a movie beauty contest. Like any beauty contest, only those whose looks conform to the standard can win. To you, the most beautiful is the one you love. Serenity will still be flying long after this year's crop of Oscar nominees have passed on into Trivial Pursuit questions. We all know what keeps a ship flying. Works for movies too.

MALSDOXY

Sunday, March 12, 2006 10:15 PM

read the list of all the oscar best pic winners...there's quite a lot of susbtance there

"Haven't you killed me enough for one day ?"
- Mal, War Stories

KT

Sunday, March 12, 2006 10:40 PM

OK - was anyone happy that Wallace & Grommit won for best long animated movie? I was ecstatic about that one. I liked The Corpse Bride and all - but love my Grommit!

The rest of the movies were ok and while I agree that I would have loved to see Serenity up there, I'm enough of a realist to know that was never gonna happen - I mean Joss never won an Emmy for writing for Buffy (although he was nominated for "Hush")and the show genrally only won make-up or music awards. "The Body" would have been a contender had the Emmys remembered to put it on the ballot - but they forgot until it was too late. Genre shows are just not given any credence by the ill-informed (i.e most of the American viewing public and the industry people who vote).

Anyhow - the awards were exactly what I expected. There is a point to remember that it's not supposed to be about the most popular movie (Otherwise Momma's House 2 and Saw 2 will be up next year - spare us!) - but about breaking new ground and artistic development as recognized by peers. Some of these had that - some of these pretended to have it which in Hollywood is sometimes one and the same. If it looks deep and sounds deep - it must be deep.

Anyways - I really watched for Jon Stewart - who I love and enjoyed him thoroughly so I was happy!!

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"See, this is another sign of your tragic space dementia, all paranoid and crotchety. Breaks the heart."

MALSDOXY

Sunday, March 12, 2006 11:02 PM

Wallace & Grommit rule. so cleverly done.And yes, jon stewart saved it for us all, i would like a copy of that broadcast just for him

"Haven't you killed me enough for one day ?"
- Mal, War Stories

OTMA

Monday, March 13, 2006 12:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by MalsDoxy:
read the list of all the oscar best pic winners...there's quite a lot of susbtance there

You are right about that. many Oscar winners were classics, and many had stunning performances. I'd never dismiss a movie simply for being "Oscar worthy", but I wouldn't embrace one for that reason either. Some of the winners were just good movies, and all of them have detractors.
Star Wars vs. Annie Hall.
Acting talent? I haven't seen Annie hall, but I'd bet it wins. Even Star Wars fans usually admit to the wooden acting and bad dialogue.
Plot and story? Probably depends on what kind of story you like to hear.
Groundbreaking Impact on film making and culture? Star Wars, definitely.
Enduring characters? I'd bet there probably are people who loved Annie Hall, and felt the characters were like old friends. Nowhere near as many as the legions of Star Wars fans, but why belittle their experience? call it a tie.
Cinematography? Star Wars broke more ground, but it's story needed ground breaking effects. Annie Hall may have been filmed perfectly for the story it had to tell.
Was it a better movie? In some ways, probably yes. In others, no. By the criteria used by Oscar voters, yes. In a "Best Picture" vote by science fiction fans, it's not even in the running.
But did Star Wars have substance? It was an epic story, told with characters people immediately related to, in spite of the sometimes iffy acting and script. The development of the characters took the entire trilogy to come out fully, but it was there.
Besides, if the academy wanted me to take it seriously, they should have nominated Björk

BREWSKI

Monday, March 13, 2006 4:16 AM

Ahhh... I knew this was a cool website when I stumbled here.

I honestly have more faith in the Razzies than the Oscars.

My 5 favorite movies of the year were:

Batman Begins
The 40-Year-Old Virgin
Cinderella Man
Sin City
Serenity

Note: Before I get dissed for my movie choices... these are considered INSTANT CLASSICS in my book, and the difference between my ratings of these movies were very slight.

NONE of these 5 got Oscars. The only two movies I was happy to see getting Oscars were Wallace and Gromit and Reese Witherspoon for Walk the Line.

However, out of the Best Picture Oscar contenders, I did give Crash the highest rating. It's a good movie, but not a movie to make anyone comfortable seeing. Highly racial, and pretty condensed too.

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