Evil Firefly Haters

POSTED BY: Succatash
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SUCCATASH

Tuesday, September 30, 2003 12:02 AM

I did invite RatSalad to post here, and I would like to thank Editor John for his professional, well-mannered post.

He's invited our input, let's do more than just name bash. Firefly is on trial! Who will speak for us?

CAPTBAGGYTROUSERS

Tuesday, September 30, 2003 12:07 AM

Thanks for braving the storm and addressing some of these, RS. I think it was very courageous to jump into a potentially hostile environment and address these things point by point. Very thoughtful.

Hey, reasonable people sometimes disagree. Hotheads draw swords at dawn.

History repeats the old conceits

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STILLSHINY

Tuesday, September 30, 2003 1:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ratsalad:
Hi, this is John, editor of ratsalad.com. Obviously the recent Firefly article on the site has stirred up some controversy here. (I can also tell that from my inbox which has contained some rather upset messages!)

I am not the author of the piece - and I must admit I have never seen an episode of Firefly. I would be glad to add errata to the original article and to include some discussion here on our letters page. Please feel free to mail me offline about those issues.

That, has gained my respect. Gotta say, we do take our show very seriously.

MYSTIC511

Tuesday, September 30, 2003 7:18 PM

My friend sent me this link, and I had to respond (i've been lurking and reading topics, everyone has very intelligent things to say, never really had a need to throw in my two cents).

First thing I want to throw out:
Obviously there are many sci-fi shows out there. The definition of sci-fi pretty much means that things are going to be in space. Just because there are 10+ shows out there with spaceships and adventuring does not mean the idea has been done. There's only so much you can do under the sci-fi genre. The originality argument is therefore thrown out as a point in Zaza's article.

Space-westerns have been done in Anime for years. Cowboy Bebop and Trigun are just two examples of the flavor. To me, firefly was just a live action version of these creative shows. This also goes under the originality issue, but I've already thrown that out.

I'd like to entertain the confederacy argument, even though I don't think it holds any water. When I first watched firefly, I never once thought of the heroes being like confederates. It must take a really troubled spirit, or a very anal retentive one to go through all the trouble to dig up examples of why Joss Whedon is a confederate sympathizer.

Actually, I more so believed that they were rebels fighting off an imperialistic government that was on a mission to turn everyday people into mind slaves. If anything, it's more of an argument to say that they are rebels fighting off a government like present day America's where corporations gain more and more power everyday and normal people have less and less of a say in what direction the country goes.

So were the Star Wars Rebels just confederates when they fought against the Empire? Just dig into some other 'original' sci-fi series where they fight against a supreme dominating power and ask if they symbolized confederacy.

Wow, look at that, i just knocked out 60% of his argument with three short paragraphs.

What's left?

Concerning the two hour season premiere filled with rape. Obviously, being raped to death is not a motif in the series, as anyone who watched all the episodes would gladly agree with.

I will give Mister Zaza the nod that it may have been a little disconcerting to have such a statement made in the season premiere, more conservative families may have been scared away by it.

And the argument about the actors not acting real or speaking the dialect/slang properly: That's an opinion so it can't realy be argued against. I'm mandarin chinese myself, and I thought it was absolutely brilliant that they cursed in mandarin. It was no where near the proper speech or inflections, but hey, A for effort on trying something new.

I will agree with one thing that Zaza said. Write to Fox and Universal. Let them know that there is support for a firefly movie and even a revival of the series. Like Zaza said, if they believe there can be money made off of it, they'll do it.

Obviously Zaza'z article holds no real sway over the country's entertainment audience, but it does serve as an example of what could happen if we sit back and do nothing to support what we like.

Thank you very much for reading. Hope to see you opening night in the theatres, watching Firefly with all the other confederates and rapists.

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AERUNDEL

Tuesday, September 30, 2003 9:21 PM

That article made my head hurt. After about the fourth paragraph of Civil War rant, without a single "Firefly" tagged in, I just had to go "What the H3LL is this guy talking about?" I'm not even going to begin to pretend what the Civil War was really about, I'm just trying to figure out how this guy pulled all that out of his when men wearing blue gloves are melting people's brains with a glowstick

Talk about reading in too deep (or just being ridiculous)

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JARHEAD

Wednesday, October 1, 2003 6:56 AM

Hey, reasonable people sometimes disagree. Hotheads draw swords at dawn.

Okay, I have to ask... why wait?

Oh, and the third group Falwell blamed was Pagans.

Which is of course, a motorcycle group...

Why fight fair when you can win.

SPACEANGLER

Wednesday, October 1, 2003 2:26 PM

Quote:
Oh, and the third group Falwell blamed was Pagans.

Which is of course, a motorcycle group...

You stole that joke from Lewis Black. But that's okay.

JARHEAD

Wednesday, October 1, 2003 3:12 PM

YESS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Most times people don't get my refferences. Love Lewis, he kicks ass.

On the subject of Falwell, I'm going to to something unprecedented on this thread. I'm going to attempt a defense of the loudmouth.

1. If you believe in the God of the Bible, and a) believe that both testaments are still valid
b) have read up on the subject he was reffering to after 911... Then it's quite possible that he was right. There were an awful lot of times that God lifted his hand of protection over the Jews after they had let their society fall in the decadence of the civilizations around them.

2. I'm not entirely sure why, maybe I heard it somewhere or something, but on my heart has been the prase His thoughts are not our thoughts. And while I'm not sure if Falwell was right, I do now that salvation is unconditional if simply asked for, but God's blessings such as protection are very conditional.

3. Heaven will be full of surprises. Nuff said.

SERGEANTX

Wednesday, October 1, 2003 3:39 PM

"Nothing worse than a monster that thinks he's right with god"

SergeantX

"..and here's to all the dreamers, may our open hearts find rest." -- Nanci Griffith

STILLSHINY

Wednesday, October 1, 2003 4:52 PM

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On the subject of Falwell, I'm going to to something unprecedented on this thread. I'm going to attempt a defense of the loudmouth.
originally posted by JARHEAD
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You do bring up a very valid thought, though it may be a drift from this original thread I'd like to expand on it.

To this day I don't know why Falwell chose to make that statement that day.

What I believe he was trying to say was that much of the US had rejected God as Lord, and as a result we were no longer under God's protection.
Though it sadly came off to sound like God was punishing us. God is a life giver, not a life taker.

Not to in any way make light of the Sept 11th events or any catastrophe for that matter. But if you choose to step out from under an umbrella because you don't like the view you're gonna get wet. It's not the fault of the umbrella. You chose to move. I'm not pointing fingers, but look at the state of our Nation when these events we being worked out. We we're blind & without cover.

I know this is a Sci-fi site and may not be the 100% appropriate place to discuss this. But the topic did come up. And I appreciate the freedom we have to express thoughts freely on this here site.

Believe me I'm not trying to bring "religiousity" to "this" Verse'

PS I really like this
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3. Heaven will be full of surprises. Nuff said.
originally posted by JARHEAD
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