River mentions Serenity plot during the series? ~mild spoilers~

POSTED BY: jossismyboss
UPDATED: Saturday, March 11, 2006 01:29
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JUTIN

Sunday, November 6, 2005 2:40 AM

Everyone seems to think that if you're a cannibal and, in the case of the reavers, extremely aggressive from a medical experiment that this makes them too stupid to fly ships and that the explanation in the film does not stay true to the lone survivor turning Reaver-style in "Bushwhacked"...

1st, they all used to be human for many years... in "Dawn of The Dead" & "Land of The Dead" the zombies being verified as brainless still know how to operate guns and play musical instruments... but Reavers are not zombies, they are cannibals... in "The Hills Have Eyes" the cannibals were very intelligent (for people who had never been part of society), they showed sophisticated stalking techniques and could drive trucks.

2nd, in "Bushwhacked" Tim and Joss were merely going on the proven fact of a victim syndrome... the lone survivor loses his mind when he is attacked and sees and hears his family and friends tortured and mutilated. He turns against everyone he sees. Why don't Reavers turn on each other? I don't know for sure, but my guess is that they just don't and won't do that because they are Brothers In Blood...

PS - thanks to all my fellow Browncoats for having another fine debate. I love these debates between fans. I just wish there wasn't so much negativity... there is always a nicer way to say anything.

SIMONB

Friday, March 10, 2006 9:19 PM

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Originally posted by DigificWriter:
I've seen Firefly more times than I can count, and I have NEVER been able to figure out how and why people have made connections between Blue Sun and the Blue Hand Men. As far as I can tell, there's nothing mentioned, said, etc. either on screen or in the commentaries that provides a link between them, or sheds any light on the Blue Hand Men and their motives. Can someone explain this to me, and also why people have drawn a connection between Blue Sun and the Alliance government?

Sure, I know this is a loooooong dead thread, but I came across it when I was browsing and wanted to add this to the mix - has anyone alse seen or thought about this:

http://www.fireflywiki.org/Firefly/BlueSun

Strike me as interesting

- Shiny. let's be bad guys.

MATTCOZ

Friday, March 10, 2006 9:37 PM

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Originally posted by SimonB:
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Originally posted by DigificWriter:
I've seen Firefly more times than I can count, and I have NEVER been able to figure out how and why people have made connections between Blue Sun and the Blue Hand Men. As far as I can tell, there's nothing mentioned, said, etc. either on screen or in the commentaries that provides a link between them, or sheds any light on the Blue Hand Men and their motives. Can someone explain this to me, and also why people have drawn a connection between Blue Sun and the Alliance government?

Sure, I know this is a loooooong dead thread, but I came across it when I was browsing and wanted to add this to the mix - has anyone alse seen or thought about this:

http://www.fireflywiki.org/Firefly/BlueSun

Strike me as interesting

Yeah, those River quotes definitely seem to imply that Blue Sun and the Hands of Blue are related.

SIMONB

Friday, March 10, 2006 9:56 PM

Also, did anyone else notice the inside of the crashed research ship on Miranda....was kinda blue? (blue lettering and all) or is that just my imagination running away with me here?

I felt kinda sad that it seemed the Blue Sun idea had been dropped from the film (could understand why though, would confuse the hell out of newcomers) but I was sorry to see it go, and to have River's 'value' to the alliance so easily dismissed now that what she knows is out in the open. Though it was a cool twist about what she knew, and the Parliament - I just felt they were after River for other reasons too, like the fact that she's an experimental lethal weapon and is the result (and evidence) of a deeply shocking experiment carried out by a covert organisation behind the government.

The supposed sighting of a Blue Sun label in Serenity when Mal's giving his speech on Miranda (think I can just about make it out, but not sure and have checked since) gives me some hope that Blue Sun might not be totally dropped from future projects in the 'verse - if there are any!

- Shiny. let's be bad guys.

LAMPYRID

Friday, March 10, 2006 11:04 PM

"These are the ones that take you! Little ones in the corner that you almost don't see. But they're the ones that reach in and do

it. They're the ones with teeth and you have to smash them!"

"A million things, and the little ends of the roots go everywhere and when you brush your teeth or all the little blue things are there but no one says it because, because sometimes they're afraid. And then they come..."

"There's things in the air in there. Tiny things."

Here is an earlier thread:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=4&t=2371

At the bottom, THEIFJEHAT speculates that River's lines in Shindig refer to nanites being added to the food that Blue Sun Corp. distributes.

In that context, Purplebellies' previous quote about why Reavers eat human flesh is interesting, perhaps it's to replenish nanites?

Back to this thread:

Rabit comments that in "Finding Serenity" Jane Espenson specifically says that the origin of the Reavers in the movie is not the origin that was planned for the series. Joss had to change it to fit the medium.

In Serenity, Joss tried to tell the same story, but had to change things. Book was replaced by the Operative, and I think that River's secret in Firefly (nanites infesting everyone, creating Reavers, Blue Sun, Blue Hands) was replaced with
the story about (G-32 Paxalon Hydroclorate in the air processors, Miranda and the Operative).

The only connection I know of between the Blue Hand and Blue Sun is that they that their hands are blue, but also they are protecting River's secret from the Alliance, in Ariel, they kill all the Alliance police that had contact with her.

Also, Blue Sun stickers are hidden in several places during Serenity.

1) Two are seen in the the loading bay, on a crate when Mal and Simon are arguing and then as the hover craft leaves, on a box underneath.

2) In Maidenhead, the bottle River kicks that hit a guy on the head has a sticker
3) The bottle Jayne and Simon drink from during Mal's speech.
4) Also, in the easter egg, at the begining of the Fruity Oaty Bar commerial a large blue sun is shown in the sky

PHAEDRA

Friday, March 10, 2006 11:20 PM

How does Inara's syringe show up in the comics? I don't remember that?

Phaedra (a bad luck name)

RAVENGER

Friday, March 10, 2006 11:21 PM

Someone else noticed that the sun in the Serenity Fruity Oaty Bar commercial was blue. Fruity Oaty bars are made by blue sun!

Gives a whole new meaning to the line 'let them blow your mind' doesn't it?

MATTCOZ

Friday, March 10, 2006 11:22 PM

I like that idea about the nanites in the Blue Sun food products, explains well how the Hands of Blue targetted their victims.

SIMONB

Friday, March 10, 2006 11:43 PM

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Originally posted by Lampyrid:

Here is an earlier thread:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=4&t=2371

Thanks for this - hadn't spotted this thread previously!

- Shiny. let's be bad guys.

THEONETRUEBIX

Saturday, March 11, 2006 1:29 AM

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Originally posted by Lampyrid:
Rabit comments that in "Finding Serenity" Jane Espenson specifically says that the origin of the Reavers in the movie is not the origin that was planned for the series. Joss had to change it to fit the medium.

This is actualy untrue. Joss has stated that he hit upon the Reaver origin that appears in the movie early on in the series, although it wasn't what the original idea was. So, the origin we see WAS in place in Joss' mind back when the series was being produced. It's just not clear when.

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