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And the eruption of Thera is thought to be as much as 4x that of Krakatoa. The current island of Santorini shows the obvious and huge caldera left by the erruption:
http://www.greekisland.co.uk/santorini/satellite.htm
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The Krakatoa eruption I'm referring to was about 1500 years ago- theorized to have been even more powerful than the 1883 eruption, so the Santorini and early Krakatau eruptions may have been equivalent. I hadn't really heard much about Santorini before, it'a always good to find out more info! http://www.geocities.com/dtmcbride/hist/volcanoes.html
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ahh, the one that happened at around the start of the dark ages:
* The nobles were returning from the middle east "HOLY WARS".
* Pope John II died.
* There were days of darkness.
* The plague swept around the world three times in about ten years.
* There were seven years of crop failures.
* Nations changed their religions.
* Empires Fell.
* In places great drought destroyed the land.
* In other places floods brought chaos.
* Tree rings didn't show normal growth for fifteen years.
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Quote:Clearly, God was displeased with the way things were going!!
ahh, the one that happened at around the start of the dark ages:
* The nobles were returning from the middle east "HOLY WARS".
* Pope John II died.
* There were days of darkness.
* The plague swept around the world three times in about ten years.
* There were seven years of crop failures.
* Nations changed their religions.
* Empires Fell.
* In places great drought destroyed the land.
* In other places floods brought chaos.
* Tree rings didn't show normal growth for fifteen years
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I was going too say, but thought I'd sound too much like Cartoon 
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The ca 535AD erruption of Krakatoa ejected ash an estimated 21 MILES into the atmosphere. That is roughly the dividing line between the stratosphere and the next outer layer the mesosphere.
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I just read the links.
It does seem that some geologic catastrophe occurred. And SignyM captured for me the horror of a society in collapse.
The events fit with the premise of 'Collapse' - that societies disintegrate catastrophically and suddenly from the height of power and influence (Collapse : How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed by Jared Diamond).
What is interesting about the comparison was that the Egyptian papyrus uses the present tense (there are no longer men). Exodus uses the past-tense, giving it the the flavor of an oral tradition written down much later that the events. I can see how a geologic catastrophe can be recounted by two separate societies in two documents without there being a connection between the peoples. And I can also see how Egyptian accounts could have worked their way into the oral tradition of the Hebrews over time.
I also agree with SignyM - not only does the papyrus NOT detail a mass exodus of slaves, it accounts how the slaves that were there rose up. It also accounts how desert tribes invaded Egypt. In other words, they were going the wrong way.
I can't remember who made this point, but if the Egyptians were documenting in such detail total social collase and insurrection of the underlings, you would think they would have documented the exodus a significant number of slaves.
And then there is the timeline problem, along with composite arguments.
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Yo. Saw the thread, read a decent part of it, and decided I'd skip past the remainder of the discussion (no offense intended) and speak a bit of my peace.
I'm a Catholic, although I'm not in conflict with many other forms of Christianity. I believe that the Bible is the Word of God. Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that God raised Him from the dead. I do believe that there are concrete rights and wrongs, good and evil. I'm also of the belief that none of us, Christian or otherwise, are perfect, just that God is gracious and will grant forgiveness to those who wholeheartedly ask of Him. No, I will not claim that I am "better" than someone who is not a Christian. As fellow human beings, they deserve love and respect as well, and no, I am not saying "they" condescendingly.
Regarding how we make our faith known to others, I believe that there is such a thing as pushing religion in a way that just turns people off. However, it's also a fact that our faith is part of who we are, and we're called to spread it. We can't "make" someone a believer, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't make an effort to show them how much our faith means to us and how much we'd love to see them embrace it. It's right to stand up for your beliefs in the presence of those who might oppose you. We're not always going around looking to offend people, but it's going to happen.
And regarding extremism in religion, I personally think that can happen when someone takes one line of the Scripture and turns it into something that it's not by taking it out of context. Not that the small parts are insignificant, but it's always important to see the big picture.
'ts about it for now. God bless you.
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This actually dovetails with a lecture I reacently attended. The speaker was a member of the team at NASA that searches for Earth crossing asteriods. I think we've all seen the "Deep Impact" scenarios with tidal waves, nuclear winters et al. What *I* didn't realise was that there is a size of event short of extinction level where the planet will literallly ring like a bell and almost all man made structures *everywhere* will fail. So the thing could land in Austalia (the *best* place for a land impact for minimal immediate loss of life) and people in the US and Europe would become homeless. Imagine loosing your home, stored food supplies, significant survival stores and THEN having a nuclear winter. I doubt there would be many survivors.
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Another thing that happens is that the Earth's crust breaks open on the opposite side, causing huge magma flows.
As I recall, the author of Catastrophe estimated 90-95% loss of life in many parts of China due to crop loss. Scrolls from the time talk about a rain of yellow (prolly sulfur) and darkness for many days. Considering how we have populated well beyond any "local" carrying capacity, and how very dependent we are on technology and transporation (just look at the sewage problem from hurricane Katrina) I would imagine that we would depopulate very, very quickly.
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