Evil Firefly Haters
POSTED BY: Succatash
UPDATED: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 07:06
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OK, let me start by saying, I am a born-again, more or less, conservative Christian. (If I'm breaking a rule or a taboo here, sorry) The only reason I say this is because "we" often get lumped in with folk like the "person" who posted that letter.
Now the reason this post drops right after the Fallwell comment is not intentional, but left me say, Fallwell was wrong.
I love Firefly. I love the action, I love the characters. I dig the lingo and the "Chinese swearing." One of my fav episodes is Our Mrs. Renyolds. My wife and I love that episode & all the others. No it's not a "family" show. Who ever said it was supposed to be. But it is a great show. In my opinion the best that was ever on TV. Sure, there are aspects that go beyond "family oriented", but it's not a "family show". If I have kids in my house we watch Veggie Tales, not Firefly.
I love the spiritual aspects of Firefly. They are some of the best spiritual truths presented on TV. I especially like the character Book. I appreciated the fact that he swore in "War Stories" I would have too. My Pastor says, "The most anointed men of God have feet of clay" My heart especially goes out to Mal. He is a man who has lost his faith. He is incomplete without it. A good portion of Firefly is about his redemption.
He says, "You're allowed on my boat, God ain't" Not because he doesn't believe in God, but because he feels God has let him down. A man who truly doesn't believe in God, can't feel hurt or let down by Him. You can't see this more than when you watch the 2 part pilot "Serenty" The whole split second of Mal kissing his cross, just floored me. His faith in God was strong, he wasn't kissin no good luck charm. He had faith.
There we're many Confederates that had a strong faith in God, and history reveals most of them we're of stronger spiritual character than a goodly portion of the Union. I would assume after they lost the war many of them too lost their faith in God.
And if we want to get into the idea of "idolizing criminals" By their revolt against an opressive England most of our "Founding Fathers" we're considered criminals.
What am I trying to say?
Firefly, should be kept flying because it is a "good" show. It teaches good principles, about "family, faith, honor, justice, real love, devotion, commitment & redemption" the list here could go on and on 
as for our "friend the writer". get past the medium and recognize the message, or take Joss' advice and realize "It's just a TV show, morons" The choice is yours.
Keep flying!
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If that wasn't so pathetic,it would have been amusing.
I love Firefly,I can't wait for the movie and whats-his-names sad ramblings aren't going to change that.
Jbird
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I thought the article was pretty funny, up until the point where he said there shouldn't be a Firefly movie. That thing with the family around the TV was hilarious.
Oh, and the third group Falwell blamed was Pagans.
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I think the author's use of footnotes is funny. It gives the article the appearance of a serious essay, but he just uses the footnotes to toss in a few more insults.
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I was going to add quotes from the article, then thought why give this guy the extra attention?
Apparently Zaza (Zaza?) doesn't live south of the Mason Dixon, or know anyone who has family there. I live in Minnesota and even I know that the minute the South lost the "War Between the States" they made it immortal. Let's consider all the tourist income received from the old battlefield tours, shall we?
Who's going to tell Universal that Fox is making the movie instead of them?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Channain:
Who's going to tell Universal that Fox is making the movie instead of them?
.....must......quit.....laughing
Mal: “See how I'm not punching him? I think I've grown!”
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Quote:
Originally posted by Channain:
Apparently Zaza (Zaza?) doesn't live south of the Mason Dixon, or know anyone who has family there. I live in Minnesota and even I know that the minute the South lost the "War Between the States" they made it immortal. Let's consider all the tourist income received from the old battlefield tours, shall we?
The phrase you're looking for is "War of Northern Aggression." I think he'd be helped too, if he channeled some Bugs Bunny American history. "The Yankees! They're in... Chattanooga!" (ack!)
And, like Tash, I was really amused by his footnotes-- particularly that number five comes before number four.
I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case
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Originally posted by Sarahetc:
The phrase you're looking for is "War of Northern Aggression." I think he'd be helped too, if he channeled some Bugs Bunny American history. "The Yankees! They're in... Chattanooga!" (ack!)
I stand corrected. But then I'm a Yankee (genetically if not geographically) no forgivin' that, is there?
And as to our friend who seems to enjoy revisionist history, I would like to quote Bugs Bunny in honor of the fair Sara -
"Whadda Maroon!"
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Hi, this is John, editor of ratsalad.com. Obviously the recent Firefly article on the site has stirred up some controversy here. (I can also tell that from my inbox which has contained some rather upset messages!)
I am not the author of the piece - and I must admit I have never seen an episode of Firefly. I would be glad to add errata to the original article and to include some discussion here on our letters page. Please feel free to mail me offline about those issues.
Several people mention that the correct movie studio should be Universal and not 20th Century Fox. That certainly undercuts the Simpsons argument in the sample letter and should be corrected.
Here are replies to a few of the individual posts on this thread:
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From Tragicstory:
I guess Zaza has a problem with fact that slavery WAS NOT the main reason for the Civil War, no more than the Holocaust was for WWII.
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Ratsalad:
Hmm, we'll have to agree to disagree about this (causus belli of the Civil War). FWIW, I found BATTLE CRY OF FREEDOM by James McPherson to be a very readable and convincing one volume history of that war.
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From Tragicstory:
For some reason McVeigh the NORTHERNER is tied in with the "evil south)
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Ratsalad:
I believe the point he was trying to make is comparable to Gray Davis's recent discussion of what's happening in California. I.E., the obligation of citizens to respect the results of legitimate results of the democratic process rather than attempt to change or bypass them via another method.
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From Livingimpaired:
Riiiiight. Joss Whedon's a racist. ... That and he seems to miss the fact that Firefly is inspired by a paticular period in American History, but it's not a direct allegory.
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Ratsalad:
I don't think either of those claims specifically are made in the article. The first one would be grounds for libel anyway.
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From Peg:
... the scene he refered to doesn't actually involve a rape;
From Ffying2:
Having a cold-blooded, evil man talking about rape in a scary way is not like showing it. It wasn't prurient, and it certainly wasn't "violent pornography."
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Ratsalad:
True. There was definitely some hyperbole on the part of the writer.
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From Ffying2:
A fictional show set 500 years in the future is supposed to be historically accurate?
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Ratsalad:
The article doesn't make that claim, exactly ... the argument is that, if Firefly was inspired by US history, then some of the parallels which can be drawn are from a strongly (and arguably covertly?) pro-Confederate perspective.
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From Channain:
Apparently Zaza (Zaza?) doesn't live south of the Mason Dixon, or know anyone who has family there.
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Ratsalad:
False. Virginia, actually.
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From Sarahetc.:
I was really amused by his footnotes-- particularly that number five comes before number four.
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Ratsalad:
Whups! Editorial screwup - all mine! Fixed now, thanks.
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If any bad stuff happens to Firefly at Universal as a result of ratsalad, I say we all blame Tash. 
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Inara: Who's winning?
Simon: I can't really tell, they don't seem to be playing by any civilized rules that I know.
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