Evil Firefly Haters
POSTED BY: Succatash
UPDATED: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 07:06
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Originally posted by peg:
Not to mention the scene he refered to doesn't actually involve a rape; as opposed to shows like NYPD Blue, Law and Order, which are a lot more graphic about rape and assults.
Good point, peg. Having a cold-blooded, evil man talking about rape in a scary way is not like showing it. It wasn't prurient, and it certainly wasn't "violent pornography."
He's also misleading when he says
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Jubal Early doesn’t just say "I'm going to rape you to death," he actually has two rather long speeches in which he describes how he's going to do it and making it very clear that Kaylee "will die weeping."
I assume that's a reference to these two lines by Early:
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EARLY [to Kaylee]:
You throw a monkey wrench into my dealings in any way, your body is forfeit. Ain't nothing but a body to me. And I can find all unseemly manner of use for it. Do you understand?
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EARLY [to Simon]:
Or, you refuse to help me, I shoot your brain out, then I go upstairs and spend some time violatin' the little mechanic I got trussed-up in the engine room. I take no pleasure in the thought, but she will die weeping if you cross me.
That's a rather vague description if you ask me, and certainly not pornographic.
He's also upset that this is on during the Family Hour (8-9 p.m. ET), which he incorrectly equates with Prime Time (8-11 p.m. ET).
Yes, Firefly didn't belong in the Family Hour, but that's Fox's fault not Firefly's. Plus Fox, not being a full network, doesn't even have a 10-11 p.m. ET slot (where NYPD Blue and its ilk air). However, I don't see any problem with Firefly in the 9-10 p.m. ET slot of Prime Time (except perhaps for a bit of War Stories torture).
Finally, back to history.
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[from campaign] As a concerned citizen with an interest in historical accuracy, I strongly urge you not to produce, finance, or in any way support the creation of a film version of the cancelled series Firefly.
A fictional show set 500 years in the future is supposed to be historically accurate?
I'll skip his, for lack of a better term, black and white view of Civil War history because it's not even relevant to the show. The future Independents are not the past Confederates. He's seen Objects in Space but apparently skipped over Shindig, where Mal is clearly against slavery.
Ying/
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I would like Willie Zaza to post here and provide us with some more information. I'd like to hear what he has to say.
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Once again Tash, I have to disagree.
SergeantX
"..and here's to all the dreamers, may our open hearts find rest." -- Nanci Griffith
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Quote:What are you disagreeing about, Sarge?
Originally posted by SergeantX:
I found the article...highly entertaining...Kudos to the author. Write more!
I think we should invite him to #firefly.
SergeantX
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Yes, but that's not exactly the same as wanting to hear what he has to say, eh?
SergeantX
"..and here's to all the dreamers, may our open hearts find rest." -- Nanci Griffith
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Not to mention, Succatash, he already wrote a page and a half on what he has to say, and I think we can all agree that it was enough.
Dissention? No? Good. Case closed.
Oh, my God! Who's flying this thing? Oh, right, that would be me...
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this dumbass is prolly the same kinda person who is bussy watching some reality tv show right now. "101 people who have swollowed hammers" perhaps? this guy isnt worth our time.
in the words of Jayne: "how bout you all just say a prayer as we slide on by"
Dear diary, Today I was pompous and my sister was crazy,
Today we where kidnapped my hill folk never to be seen again, it was the best day ever.
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I have to admit something here, and I'm sure it will bring many flamers to swing their guns around on me: this guy is an excellent writer.
That being said, his take on Firefly is, of course, definitely skewed. He makes many assumptions and claims that are, in simple terms, wrong. Not to mention, amazingly obtuse.
On the positive side, I also have to point out that once again, Firefly has brought out strong emotions in yet another person. They may not be emotions we understand or agree with, but this guy does feel passionate about the subject, doesn't he?
Overall, I would echo the sentiment of "ignore the troll". His writing talents aside, he appears to have a LOT more time in his pathetic existence to hate Firefly, than we have to love it, and argue with him about it.
To each his own; let him continue to wallow in self-importance.
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Mal: You are very much lacking in imagination.
Zoe: I imagine that's so, sir.
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Scotti,
No flame here, you're a browncoat and I'll happily respect your opinions, but I'm curious - Exactly how is his writing 'excellent'? I tried to read some of the other stuff on his page but it was just kind of painful. Not in that his witty barbs offended me, but that his aimless meandering rants just didn't really add up to much besides unfocused resentment. Maybe I just didn't get it.
SergeantX
"..and here's to all the dreamers, may our open hearts find rest." -- Nanci Griffith
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Originally posted by Scotti:
I have to admit something here, and I'm sure it will bring many flamers to swing their guns around on me: this guy is an excellent writer.
Not a flame here, but:
The ability to make a provocative claim does not make a good writer. I could call people that... uh, believe in God "illogical prats," which would offend many people, but saying that doesn't make me a good writer. A good writer can take a claim that is disputed and make a logical, valid argument that is resistant to criticism. This troll's entire thesis rests on distorted or false facts, and his paper is rambling and unorganized.
A better example: after September 11, Jerry Farwell was quoted as saying that the terrorist attacks were because of the feminists, homosexuals, and I honestly forget what the third groups was, but the point is the whole thing was inflammatory. Now most any rational person would have to take issue with that statement--regardless of their position on feminism or homosexuality--simply because there is the same amount of evidence connecting gays and feminists to terrorism as there is evidence connecting leprechauns to sunspots. Jerry Farwell is provocative, but he's still a bigoted prat.
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