Oscars

POSTED BY: ThePistonEngine
UPDATED: Tuesday, March 7, 2006 14:58
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THEPISTONENGINE

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 1:03 AM

I agree and disagree. Anyone ever see Conspiracy with Kenneth Branagh? Really good real-world movie. And BDM had some definate, but very subtle, overtones of political thoughts. "They'll keep drifting back to the idea they can make people better."

On the other hand, I don't want to be bombarded with political views. If Brokeback Mountain came out, as is right now, in an air of homosexuality acceptance among the populace of America, I would probably percieve it much different. The fact that it's very relevant and heated subject says to me there is no way there can't be political opinions spewed all over.

Give me a story and characters. The story may express a certain philosophy, or try and teach a lesson, but the lesson or the philosophy should never take precedence over the story.

One of the reasons I've never liked Voltaire, or many writers of fiction who write to expose societal flaws. I don't see stories as the right place to do it, even though it appeals to the masses and makes it more effective.

At the same time, as in movies like Conspiracy, it's really refreshing to watch a serious movie about real-world problems.

What's the real difference? Is there a real difference? Is it personal opinion on whether the movie's agenda is the "right" one? Probably not. It's definately something I can't really think, just feel. It's not a good argument, and not a real good reason for the opinions I have. I'm sure someone feels the same thing, and probably can find the difference better than I can.

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Originally posted by Ruxton:
Jonestein said,
"I'm sure all of those movies were great "make you think about(insert political issue here)" movies, but I have a real problem with those type of flicks. I watch a movie to be entertained, not dragged through someone's real-world political agenda."

AMEN! I'm in full agreement about this, and also agree the Academy tends to reward such films based on the political agenda within the film, which is one reason I never watch the Academy Awards.

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JONESTEIN

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 1:28 AM

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Originally posted by ThePistonEngine:
I agree and disagree. Anyone ever see Conspiracy with Kenneth Branagh? Really good real-world movie. And BDM had some definate, but very subtle, overtones of political thoughts. "They'll keep drifting back to the idea they can make people better."

Heck, I'm sure one could find political overtones in "The Muppet Movie" if one looked hard enough. It's the blatent, shove my political agenda down your throat movies that tick me off. The ones where you know the stars are activists for whatever cause you're supposed to be being indoctrinated with during the movie.

Actually, it's not even the blatent ones that tick me off the most...it's the one's that are marketed as mainstream fare, only to have the writer and/or director's political views slyly interjected into the script.

A certain final installment of a major space epic suddenly comes to mind. And it's not that I necessarily disagreed with the epic director's views, it's that I didn't appreciate being yanked out of my "movie world" and back into this F'd up real world.

T'will be interesting to see the righteous indignation generated from that little comment. (no, I'm not trolling, just voicing an opinion)

-Jonestein

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THEPISTONENGINE

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 2:20 AM

I honestly don't see anything in your post that'd promote righteous indignation. But, since you are braced from the flames to come, I'll not dissapoint you.

STFU NOOB!

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Originally posted by Jonestein:
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Originally posted by ThePistonEngine:
I agree and disagree. Anyone ever see Conspiracy with Kenneth Branagh? Really good real-world movie. And BDM had some definate, but very subtle, overtones of political thoughts. "They'll keep drifting back to the idea they can make people better."

Heck, I'm sure one could find political overtones in "The Muppet Movie" if one looked hard enough. It's the blatent, shove my political agenda down your throat movies that tick me off. The ones where you know the stars are activists for whatever cause you're supposed to be being indoctrinated with during the movie.

Actually, it's not even the blatent ones that tick me off the most...it's the one's that are marketed as mainstream fare, only to have the writer and/or director's political views slyly interjected into the script.

A certain final installment of a major space epic suddenly comes to mind. And it's not that I necessarily disagreed with the epic director's views, it's that I didn't appreciate being yanked out of my "movie world" and back into this F'd up real world.

T'will be interesting to see the righteous indignation generated from that little comment. (no, I'm not trolling, just voicing an opinion)

-Jonestein

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SHADOWJO

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 3:53 AM

Loved George, he is such a dish
Loved Meryl and Lily they were hilarious
Have not seen crash so don't know about that, but thought Brokeback should have won, I totally enjoyed that movie and the guys did a fantastic job in something that would have been extremely hard for 2 hetrosexual guys to do.

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DATALESS

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 5:10 AM

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Star Wars was in make up, wasn't it all done in the computer. I guess they could be talking about the make up on Natalie Portman (what make up is there in that film.)

There's a ridiculous amount of makeup in Star Wars. All the different alien races, the Emperor, and the best makeup job in the movie, Anakin and his burns. Padme looked completely natural the whole movie, so not sure where that comment came from, did you even see the movie?

Yes I have and I wish some one like Joss Whedon or J.J. Abrams wrote and directed that trilogy. I bet that most if not all of the aliens were Computer Generated just like the Anakin burns. It looked horrible. I can't believe you couldn't tell. Lucas loves digital effects. That movie was the best out of the new trilogy but still sucked. Ok fine the job they did on the Emperor was good but if they were nominated for Padme then the Oscars are the biggest waste of time and money in the history of the planet, I mean the Universe.

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Serenity should have been in visual effects. It is the first film in history to have that documentary look to the visual effect.

The visual effects were good, but nowhere close to the big budget movies. There were some very cool things, but nothing I hadn't seen before.

While Serenity cost $40 mil it is still big budget (some have said $80 mil.) The look of the visual effects are not Star wars good but Serenity didn't have an unlimited budget. I was talking about the Documentary feel to the movie in the visual effect. When that ship spinning around after being hit with the EMP it's amazingly beautiful and it had something no other movie has ever attempted and not likely to be attempted again (The look of the camera shaking is not an easy feet for the comupter to do and shouldn't doing something unique and atleast interesting be rewarded by the Academy?) I also said should have been in the V.E. Catagoty not winner they only had three out of the normal five nominations and I have add Star Wars to the Catagory too or why not have Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire or Fantastic Four instead of Serenity they might not have won but their were movies worth the nomination this year. I would take the Visual Effects of Serenity in Star Wars if the story was half as good as Serenity's.

MATTCOZ

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 5:44 AM

You're right, many of the aliens were digital, but many were makeup and the Anakin burns definitely were, I saw video of them applying it, very cool stuff. And I'll say it again, Natalie didn't even wear much makeup, so stop using that. Here's the image they use on the academy awards site:

Star Wars wasn't even nominated for Visual Effects, the category is about breakthrough achievements, and that "documentary feel" was no breakthrough. The camera shaking is a very common effect, hell they did it in the series. They did a very good job at getting the right look and feel for what they wanted with the budget they had, and that's something to commend them for, but not to give them an award for. I love the effects they had in the movie, but they just don't stand up to the other nominees.

CHRISMOORHEAD

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 7:45 AM

I got one question: When did making a good movie change from being of good story quality to being "in touch" with real life? Didn't we used to see these god damn things to ESCAPE from life to a large degree? And what the fuck do these assholes know about real life?

To me it seems like the academy's been over-run by sycophants looking to appear smart and politically aware by choosing the most politically fueled movies regardless of their quality. Once again, an industry has been over-run by motherfuckers who want to be popular and controversial instead of people who are just plain good at their fucking craft.

Have you ever:
Used your teeth as wire strippers?
Given yourself stitches?
Made improvised munitions with no base supplies?
Pissed in a canteen?
Gone a month without bathing?

If so, you MIGHT just be a !HOOAH MOTHERF*CKER!

JONESTEIN

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 1:24 PM

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Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:
I got one question: When did making a good movie change from being of good story quality to being "in touch" with real life? Didn't we used to see these god damn things to ESCAPE from life to a large degree? And what the fuck do these assholes know about real life?

To me it seems like the academy's been over-run by sycophants looking to appear smart and politically aware by choosing the most politically fueled movies regardless of their quality. Once again, an industry has been over-run by motherfuckers who want to be popular and controversial instead of people who are just plain good at their fucking craft.

If so, you MIGHT just be a !HOOAH MOTHERF*CKER!

Not quite as gentle as my post, but I couldn't agree with you more. George Clooney's self-serving "proud to be out of touch" speech made me want to puke.

-Jonestein

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CARTOON

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 2:58 PM

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Originally posted by Jonestein:
It's the blatent, shove my political agenda down your throat movies that tick me off. The ones where you know the stars are activists for whatever cause you're supposed to be being indoctrinated with during the movie.

I just heard on the radio this morning that viewing of this year's Oscars was down 8% from last year. Hmm.... I wonder why?

Personally, I stopped watching them around 1990 -- and I haven't missed them in the least.

Would rather watch the water spin around in my toilet, actually. It has more artistic merit in my opinion.

And I still can't believe Summer's performance was overlooked by her peers. I can see them looking down their snotty, "arty farty" noses at sci-fi, but a great performance is a great performance even if it's done in a genre that they might otherwise ignore.

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