any christians here in this entire site please stand up

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SIGMANUNKI

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 3:18 AM

@Cartoon:
I'm just going to sum up what you've written as you are not arguing from a historical perspective, but using the bible completely. You also seem to think that the bible is the only thing that needs to be argued from as you seem to be ignoring history completely.

I will state explicitly now, that if you only use the bible to prove the bible, I will not continue this conversation. This is called circular logic. You cannot use something to prove something.

You have also failed to give me this proof that everyone keeps talking about.

*sigh*

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"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki

SIGMANUNKI

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 3:26 AM

@OmegaDark:
Well, um, I don't really know what to say. We seemed to have come to a standstill. Not sure where our discussion can go from here.

I'll just say this because, well, this is the first time I've had this discusion with someone and it hasn't exploded. Thanks for keeping a potentially explosive discussion, non-explosive.

I look forward to further conversations

(Hopefully the feelings are mutual )

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"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki

SAMEERTIA

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 3:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
[BICONSIDERATE?!?!

The only cool devil was Darkness from "Legend", the RL Devil is a PUNK, man, APUNK!!!!!!

Well, yah. But that was Tim Curry, and he's just dang cool no matter what!

I, too, think that no matter what your religion, you should respect the wishes of others not to pray for them.

Extreme example: Would you want a Devil-Cult worshipper praying for you to come over to the 'dark-side'?
No, probably not.
I wouldn't presume that others want to believe as I believe, and thus would not pray that they be 'saved' through my faith.

Now, in my mind, that falls into a different category than praying that someone returns safely from a journey, or that they are healed from their illness.

Praying that they will change their beliefs to become like you is hubris.
Praying that they will heal, become stronger, etc, is caring.

Am I making any sense here?

SIGMANUNKI

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 3:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SameErtia:

Am I making any sense here?

Certainly

But, this can be a slippery slope. Say someone has cancer, do we wish him/her to have the best quality of life for as long as possible, or a quick painless death when the time come, or...

I know that cancer is a rather extreme example. But, even with lesser examples, where is the line when it is ok just to do it?

Not trying to be a prick, I'm just trying to illustrate that the issue is very complex when it comes to the caring thing. And simply asking whether they want you to do something is really easy to do.

IMO, erring on the side of caution is best practice. And asking someone won't hurt (as long as it isn't 3 times a day everyday

).

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"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 4:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Let's say that your religion is real and praying will actually do something (Quite frankly, if you don't believe that praying will do something, then why are you doing it in the first place?) So, your actions will effect me now won't they?

So you’re superstitious. Well, that’s not my problem.

And bring the devil cult prayers on, I say. I can take any prayer you can dish out.

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
And Finn, please, as with most other threads, this is not the place for levity; try to keep it on a little more serious level, huh?

Sorry. I’m not usually like this.

I guess there's a plan for all of us. I had to die, twice, just to figure that out. Like the book says “The Lord works in mysterious ways.” Some people like it; some people don't.
-- John Constantine.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

OMEGADARK

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 4:08 AM

SigmaNunki

Yep, the feeling is definitely mutual

and

Quote:
This is all I'm saying. Respect other peoples wishes.

I am sure you find this funny too, that both you and Finn are asking the same thing...Finn saying respect that he wants to pray for you and you, that he should respect that you don't want to be prayed for...lol there's no solution to this one other than Finn pray for Sigma and don't tell em and Sigma know that Finn isn't praying for you...

I am too tired to read all of what has been said...that's just my .02

CHRISISALL

Why the game? Well an honest answer: It's not a game its just the way it is.

My answer: Who the heck freaking knows! Not I...but I'll ask Him...

But, heck, sometimes it definitely feels like it would just be easier if He just popped out from behind the clouds to explain something....but to this day I am still waiting for that...I hope you have better luck...

-OD

X

(my signature becasue I can't read or write)

SIGMANUNKI

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 5:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

So you’re superstitious. Well, that’s not my problem.

How do you get that from what I wrote? Reading into things, things that I didn't say I gather. Then again, you seem to be doing that in this thread, so just more of the same.

But, you're right. Whether I'm superstitious or not is not your problem. Then again, whether it is a problem for me or not, isn't my problem either. It's just the way I live.

But, what is my problem, is that you keep not reading what I wrote. Well, no matter.

Good day to you. Perhaps we will speak again on another thread.

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"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki

SIGMANUNKI

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 5:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by OmegaDark:

But, heck, sometimes it definitely feels like it would just be easier if He just popped out from behind the clouds to explain something....but to this day I am still waiting for that...I hope you have better luck...

That would be cool wouldn't it

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"We're in a giant car heading into a brick wall at 100 miles/hr and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit."
-David Suzuki

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 5:13 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

And bring the devil cult prayers on, I say. I can take any prayer you can dish out.
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
And Finn, please, as with most other threads, this is not the place for levity; try to keep it on a little more serious level, huh?
Sorry. I’m not usually like this.

Actually, it's fun to see ya funny.

And I agree, bring it! I can de-stabilize any negative cult prayers aimed at me.
Love it all, that's the key!!Ha ha!
*Thumbs his nose at things others tremble at*

Chrisisall, checking his ouija board to see if he has incurred bad vibes from demonic sources over previous statements...

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Tuesday, March 7, 2006 5:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
But, you're right. Whether I'm superstitious or not is not your problem. Then again, whether it is a problem for me or not, isn't my problem either. It's just the way I live.

So if it’s a problem for you, then it’s not your problem? See, now that's classic. That's the SigmaNunki we all know and love.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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