any christians here in this entire site please stand up
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Ok, what just happened?
Sherlock Chrisisall
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***River6213 has very dark thoughts concerning God and his bot army***
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
And no, that isn't evidence that I don't believe in god. It's just proof that I don't believe that god's existance can be proven. There is a difference. I will continue to believe this until shown otherwise.
To a certain point I agree with what you said above -- and I say this as one who does believe.
As a believer, I have no doubt that God will someday prove His existence in a way which cannot be denied -- but not until after we're dead, are facing Him, and it's too late for anyone to change anything.
The Bible says that "without faith it's impossible to please God". I believe that's why He gives us a multitude of things which point toward His existence, but not the sort of thing that most people would embrace as "proof".
He also promises that if we seek Him with all our hearts, He will be found. (He doesn't hide from those who genuinely seek Him on His terms -- truly repentant and needy of His grace.)
Although, I imagine that most people wouldn't believe it even if God walked the earth in human form and did miraculous signs which no human could ever do. Oops. Wait a minute! He did do that, and most people, even faced with these miraculous things done right before their very eyes, still refused to believe.
I'm not talking about people like you or I who have had to hear of these things second hand, removed a few millennia, but the people who were living at the time and saw them as they happened, yet still doubted. Really shows the hardness our stubborn, rebellious human hearts, doesn't it? (And I include myself in that category, as well.)
In summary, I believe there are plenty of indicators throughout creation which point to a sovereign Creator (and also that He's spoken to us through His word, the Bible), but "proof" that would convince a skeptic (or actually any of us apart from His grace)? Probably not in this life.
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A few thoughts:
I’ve not read any posts by Cartoon that ever made me feel like he/she was either a nut or an extremists. Anymore then any of the rest of us.
It is vanity that leads man to defend his or her religion. And vanity that leads him to deny the existence of god.
Is there some reason that human souls must have mass?
Buying a ticket to England is not proof that England exists; only proof that someone sold you a ticket there. I once saw an ad to purchase plots of land on Mars. Not that Mars doesn’t exist, but I’m pretty sure the deeds were meaningless nonetheless.
I want to see proof that god doesn’t exist. I guess we’ll all have to get used to disappointment.
And I don’t think that it is anyone else’s business who I pray for or don’t pray for.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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God(s) may or may not exist, but there's one thing I am sure of; The Bible is a work of MAN, not God, and as such deserves all the serious attention that your name suggests, Cartoon.
The historical parts are cool, but the brimstone stinks
Chrisisall
Please note: (Cartoon, do not read this) I have no real ill will towards the Bible, it works for many- just seein' if I can get some flame off of Cartoon...
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I’ve not read any posts by Cartoon that ever made me feel like he/she was either a nut or an extremists.
I have. At the very least he's an ignorant arsehole.
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I want to see proof that god doesn’t exist.
I remember you telling me about burden of proof once being on those making the claim, not the other way around...
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
You should never give powers to a leader you like that you’d hate to have given to a leader you fear
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
A few thoughts:
Is there some reason that human souls must have mass?
It was a physics class (thermo dynamics I think she said.) Wave/particle duality suggests that everything that's real must have mass, even if that mass is almost infinately small. Quanta of energy has mass, the messager particles that make forces work have mass (we suppose) so if a soul is real it has mass.
It's an assumption based on what physics considers real.
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Actually Photons along with other theoretical Quanta (the Graviton in Quantum Gravity for instance) have zero rest mass. It's also theoretically possible to have a particle with negative or imaginary mass, such as the Tachyon.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
You should never give powers to a leader you like that you’d hate to have given to a leader you fear
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Quote:Yep.
Originally posted by citizen:
I remember you telling me about burden of proof once being on those making the claim, not the other way around...
Quote:I think souls are neutrinos.
Originally posted by Fletch2:
It was a physics class (thermo dynamics I think she said.) Wave/particle duality suggests that everything that's real must have mass, even if that mass is almost infinately small. Quanta of energy has mass, the messager particles that make forces work have mass (we suppose) so if a soul is real it has mass.
It's an assumption based on what physics considers real.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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You mean the world isn't made up of puppies?
I'm so lost!
But seriously-
Am I a Christian?
I believe that there was a man called Jesus who fought against corruption of the church, and taught lessons of love and forgiveness.
Do I believe that "Whoesoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life"? Not exactly.
I think the words have been taken over the years to mean things that Jesus never said, intended in ways that Jesus never meant.
Christianity has parallels in every other religion in the world, even the Dreamtime of the Australian Aborigine. By looking beyond just what man has written that Christ said, and looking for those parallels, I think we can find the real truth of God/Goddess for ourselves.
Perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps God made me bisexual and gave me chronic asthma to punish me for believing that He has different faces, and that it matters not what face we place to the belief as long as we just believe.
But I don't believe so. I believe that I was given challenges to make me stronger, to remind me that I'm only a human being in this lifetime.
I think if I walk and breathe and take each step with the heart of the Goddess and the intention to do no wrong, but to nurture and care for my fellow humans and for the earth which we have been gifted- If I can do that, then it is not the face that I believed in or the name I gave to it, but the way in which I lived my life that will matter in the end.
So, am I a Christian? Not as such as defined by the Methodist church of my childhood.
Do I believe in Jesus? Absolutely.
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