Reading Minds in 'Objects'

POSTED BY: nuclearday
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JOCKOCKEYOCK

Sunday, March 5, 2006 12:46 AM

I have been contemplating upon the ocean sound. I don’t really understand why River gets angry and disturbed when ever the ocean noise rushes into the background. After seeing Wash and Zoë and then Inara and Mal…..
Does any one have insight on this…?
Or am I being to critical of small unimportant things again?

The court of this obsession, is abstracted from possession which when the worlds of outside in fall.

NUCLEARDAY

Sunday, March 5, 2006 2:09 AM

Yeah, the ocean sound's something I don't know how specific Joss went with that. My brainworking is it's some way fit in with Wash and Zoe's passion, maybe leading a bit into River finding the branch. (Two things you wouldn't expect to see or hear in a spaceship.)

Also, I don't think she's walking away angry. Just a little overwhelmed, and perhaps feeling a bit like an intruder in that case.

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ASARIAN

Sunday, March 5, 2006 4:16 AM

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Originally posted by nuclearday:

Also, I don't think she's walking away angry. Just a little overwhelmed, and perhaps feeling a bit like an intruder in that case.

That was my take on it, too. She's just too overwhelmed by what she realizes is really not hers to experience, I guess. I saw no anger.

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JOCKOCKEYOCK

Sunday, March 5, 2006 8:00 AM

what about after she passed Inara and Mal the ocean noise was not a calm swelling but a rush of like unease in the waves crashing.... like the water was at its edge against rocks or a wall....
> < wow i made sence to myself.
like a wall.... Inara and Mal's protective emotional walls clashing when realy they just want to break down their walls like the ocean on rocks....
I supose thats how i hear it....

or rather maybe after Mal and Inara its not ocean we are listening to but rather wind rustling leaves in a tree.... the two sound so much alike to me i dont know what im hearing.

The court of this obsession, is abstracted from possession which when the worlds of outside in fall.

NUCLEARDAY

Sunday, March 5, 2006 11:57 AM

Come to think of it: there's something else that's bothering me about the opening in that episode.

Where exactly DOES the gun come from? Obviously, Jayne could be lying about not leaving it laying around (and who really trusts anything Jayne says, anyways?) But I also assume Jayne cares too much about his collection of firearms to leave one lying around in the cargo deck...

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JYNNANTONNYX

Sunday, March 5, 2006 2:18 PM

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Originally posted by nuclearday:
Come to think of it: there's something else that's bothering me about the opening in that episode.

Where exactly DOES the gun come from? Obviously, Jayne could be lying about not leaving it laying around (and who really trusts anything Jayne says, anyways?) But I also assume Jayne cares too much about his collection of firearms to leave one lying around in the cargo deck...

I was thinking the same thing in the shower the other day (...because I think about Firefly in the shower...) and wondered where the gun came from. It doesn't seem like any of them to leave a gun lying around. Definately not Jayne, he loves his guns too much, albeit it wasn't Vera.

I love "Objects in Space" very muchly and I also love the commentary for it, Joss is so passionate about it. One thing though, when River heard Jayne I went "aww" he's guilty (so he should be, but you could tell her was guilty in the Ariel episode) then got completly creepified by Book. All credit to Ron Glass. His delivery of that line gave me chills.

"It's just an object. It doesn't mean what you think."

ELDIRION

Sunday, March 5, 2006 2:44 PM

My take on the gun was that River does not see social boundaries the same as the others. Even if the gun was locked up, she has the skills to open the case, so for her, this is the same as the gun being out in the open.

NUCLEARDAY

Sunday, March 5, 2006 3:10 PM

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Originally posted by eldirion:
My take on the gun was that River does not see social boundaries the same as the others. Even if the gun was locked up, she has the skills to open the case, so for her, this is the same as the gun being out in the open.

True. She obviously has a different view on the nature of objects, and that I can assume would include notions of ownership. But still, we see her finding it on the ground. We could always assume that she went through the trouble of going through Jayne's bunk and getting it out, but... I just don't see that either. We can assume that River is fairly cognitive most of the time, her perceptions are obviously distorted, but other than when she's "triggered" in the BDM, we don't see previously that she'd be capable of doing things and not be aware of it. When she comes across the branch, I feel that she's clearly just seeing it there for the first time.

Really, the more I think about it, the more that one aspect is bugging me. Where the frell did that gorram gun come from?

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RIVERRULES

Sunday, March 5, 2006 3:54 PM

when she reads the minds of the captin and the companion.
she does not read any negative thoughts at all.
the thing that she reads is the love that, the 2 share for each other....................
the rest of your stament is ok

RIVERRULES

Sunday, March 5, 2006 4:00 PM

I pretty much agree with your conclusions. In earlier threads. though I also want too bring up the distinction of river melding with the ship.............. she pullewd that off perfectly though actually they give it away by showing the other ship too ofhen.
I think that the mind-reading of Kaylee is clear. Kaylee is someone who is now unsure of River (certainly fallout from War Stories) but still caree for her and still loves her.

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