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POSTED BY: dreamtrove
UPDATED: Sunday, March 5, 2006 13:37
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FLETCH2

Friday, March 3, 2006 2:37 PM

I have seen some very detailed legal arguments on both sides. Of course the Constitution has no provision for leaving but then no State ever explicitly ceeded the right to leave and as States retain any rights not explicitly ceeded I would assume they retain the right to leave.

Of course you could argue that the clause on maintaining a republican form of government can be used to deny the claims of any state to succeed, and it means that the US will most likely recognise any State "legislature" that wants to say in the Union over any other "legislature" that wants to leave. Didn't that happen somewhere like Virginia? My US history is a little rusty.

HERO

Friday, March 3, 2006 7:01 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch2:
it means that the US will most likely recognise any State "legislature" that wants to say in the Union over any other "legislature" that wants to leave. Didn't that happen somewhere like Virginia? My US history is a little rusty.

Nice obscure historical trivia there. Yep. Virginia had a rump legislature. I don't recall exactly, but it has to do with getting around the Constiutional provision that required a State to approve subdivision into smaller states. So the western counties formed a rump legislature that was recognized as legitimate by the Federal Government and led to the formation of the Great State of West Virginia, my humble birthplace (alot of us Heroes come from West Virginia).

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GINOBIFFARONI

Friday, March 3, 2006 7:56 PM

I'd just like to point out, just because Americans don't tie your security concerns to US foreign interests, that doesn't mean people in other countrys will feel the same way.....

" China isn't going to let Japan run its securty, ports and munitions "

How about Korea and Japan ?

Lets skip over the entire Muslim slight you Americans seem to have,

Lets say it was a French company takiung over your ports, and you react in this fashion... do you really think there would be no backlash ?

or if it was a US company and French ports ?

The finance angle aside, just from a question of psychology.... they will return the favor by hurting your interests right back.

" Over and in, last call for sin
While everyone's lost, the battle is won
With all these things that I've done "

The Killers

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/killers/allthesethingsthativedone.html

DREAMTROVE

Friday, March 3, 2006 10:51 PM

Korea and Japan are like the US and the UK. Their pretty close. The US to the UAE is really like China to Morroco. Except that Morroco has never attack China.

MERCHANTMARINE1

Sunday, March 5, 2006 10:28 AM

What has eluded most people with this UAE corporation take over of port operations is, the ports was originally operated by a London based company already, here in the west coast, South Korea and Singapore operate Seattle, into Oakland and San Pedro, lets not forget the Deal made in the 90's with China and Long Beach, (COSTCO) and that is not the bulk products selling membership company we are all familar with. The idea of selling out or handing over our national security is rediculus, as a union member, I am more concerned that the operations are handed over to a corporation that has no desire to deal with unions, in fact all their holdings overseas have no union representation, here on the west coast, a strike of longshoresman went in place and the foreign controllers brought in their own labor and ran the docks,cranes and all cargo operations which threatened the complete termination of all union work force for out side non union labor. One asked me what I think, its politics, take over and eliminate union operations, you take away union contributions for presidential elections, state and local governments. After this, you reduce the "Political Capitol" that democrats gain so much. Look back at the last two elections, the unions poured millions into the Gore and Kerry campaigns, and examine the fund raising efforts along the eastern seaboard and at every port in question. Then ask why not negoiate with the west coast for the same firm, simple, the unions on the west coast have been strangled, the contributions to political capitol have no comparisons to the east coast union brothers and sisters. This is the real problem.
In my opinion.

MERCHANTMARINE1

Sunday, March 5, 2006 10:28 AM

What has eluded most people with this UAE corporation take over of port operations is, the ports was originally operated by a London based company already, here in the west coast, South Korea and Singapore operate Seattle, into Oakland and San Pedro, lets not forget the Deal made in the 90's with China and Long Beach, (COSTCO) and that is not the bulk products selling membership company we are all familar with. The idea of selling out or handing over our national security is rediculus, as a union member, I am more concerned that the operations are handed over to a corporation that has no desire to deal with unions, in fact all their holdings overseas have no union representation, here on the west coast, a strike of longshoresman went in place and the foreign controllers brought in their own labor and ran the docks,cranes and all cargo operations which threatened the complete termination of all union work force for out side non union labor. One asked me what I think, its politics, take over and eliminate union operations, you take away union contributions for presidential elections, state and local governments. After this, you reduce the "Political Capitol" that democrats gain so much. Look back at the last two elections, the unions poured millions into the Gore and Kerry campaigns, and examine the fund raising efforts along the eastern seaboard and at every port in question. Then ask why not negoiate with the west coast for the same firm, simple, the unions on the west coast have been strangled, the contributions to political capitol have no comparisons to the east coast union brothers and sisters. This is the real problem.
In my opinion.

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, March 5, 2006 1:37 PM

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One asked me what I think, its politics, take over and eliminate union operations, you take away union contributions for presidential elections, state and local governments.

I don't buy it. The relationship with Dubai is a key part, *the* key part of this deal. I think there are a couple of other issues, the main one being that the drug traffickers who contribute far more to oth parties than the unions, are interested in a blind eye. But your theory flies in the face of it's own facts. You said 'Oh Clinton did it too' which of course is true, not surprising, Bush is Clinton. But Clinton isn't Bush to the point that he'd want to sacrafice democratic party capital. Nor is Bush Republican enough to want to do so.

If your theory were correct, The GOP Senate would love the deal, particularly folks like Duncan Hunter, as a Republican of California. Bush, who is stomping for Hillary '08, would be opposed to the deal. But this is clearly the case nowhere. The executive, elected and run by people who essentially have their roots in the democratic party and points left, are in favor, just as the Clinton administration, also having its roots in the same democratic party groups was. The Senate GOP with its roots in the GOP is opposed, just as it was opposed to the Clinton deals.

What we are really witnessing is the "American Garage Sale"

Does everyone remember the Soviet Garage Sale, when Yeltsin sold off all the assets of the Soviet Union for pennies to his friends?

Well, meet the American Garage Sale. America is for sale people, bit by bit, being sold, litterally, down the river.

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