Hey Signym, did ya see this? AP retracts Katrina story on Bush.
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Monday, March 6, 2006 02:25
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Quote:I agree wholeheartedly, Finn.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
We need to take the lessons of Katrina and, if possible, find out a way in which we can quickly and effectively respond to massive catastrophes in real time. If a nuclear terrorist attack occurs in a major city, it could be orders of magnitude worse then Katrina. So it behooves us as a nation to come together and try to figure out, NOT who is to blame, but rather what we can do better next time.
But I'd still like everyone from top to bottom lose their jobs for Katrina's mishandeling.
And for the record, if it was Kerry or even Nader in office, I'd say the same.
We have a bunch of self-satisfied lame dorks running things, all happy to see others do their jobs for them.
I, with as little experience as I have at emergency management, would have done better.
So would you.
We should be in command, I say.
*Dreams...*
Finn:
Send in Chrisisall to set up the evacuation!
Chrisisall:
Uh...okay.
AURaptor:
I'll handle the looters!
SignyM:
I'll check on emergency aid.
Dreamtrove:
I'll kick FEMA into gear.
Seven%:
I'll make sure the Govener doesn't weasle out of declaring martial law...
Finn:
All right people, let's move like we got a purpose! Lives are at stake!
Hero:
Yeah, there's lots of inevitable lawsuits to handle!
Bush:
Good. Now I can play golf in peace.
Ride, my white knights, RIDE!
SignyM:
If I didn't know better, I'd think he didn't give a shit...
AURaptor:
He cares, he just has a hard time showing it.
Cartoon:
I'll do a pro-Bush press release.
Waking Chrisisall
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I think that a lot of people do, including you.
I don't, or I wouldn't have posted it. First responders are police, trauma teams, and firemen.
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But I thought you just said that no one expected the Federal government to be the first responders? Now you’re saying that the federal government should be the first responder when the local governments can’t handle the problem?
What part of "they aren't first responders" is confusing you? Is it the part where I said, "they aren't first responders?" They should, however, be on the scene at the same time or shortly after, when called in advance of a major problem.
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First of all, if the local governments can't handle it, what makes you think the federal government can?
Oh, I dunno, how about a national guard, massive resources, and the abililty to bring in equipment from around the nation? I mean, are you kidding, trolling, or what? How can you even make the statement that the local level has more resources than the feds? Because, really, NOLA should have had its own troops, billions of dollars, and thousands of trucks for ice, right?
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is to not only demand that the federal government be the first responder, but to assign impossible expectations on the federal government.
That's why we have it, AGAIN, to do the things the locals cannot. What is an impossible expectation? Getting ice trucks there? Knowing where personnel and civilian centers were located? Bringing in the guard? Having Bush on the scene instead of at a fundraiser? Show me, where was anything they did impossible? You're accusing me of being a bush-hater, but again are unwilling to accept that your GOP controlled crisis handlers messed up. And yes, the state and locals did too, but there's only so much they can do.
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Wow. I go away for a real-life day of being sick and look what I find!
Auraptor, you're right- Nobody told Bush explicitly that the levees might fail. The more excuses I read about this, the more I realize that you're describing a mental midget that can't add one (Category 5 huuricane) plus one (city below sea level) to equal an effective response. Apparently, all he's fit for is signing a piece of paper and going on vacation. So keep making excuses for him, it's increadibly funny, in a sad sort of way (Sad little king of a sad little hill
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And for those say that NOLA should have been able to handle this on their own... You really don't think that. I KNOW you don't think that. You've convinced yourself by repetition that it MUST be true, but you also know it's impossible. It would be the same as expecting a single state to defend against an international attack- say, expecting Hawaii to successfully defend against Japan. Somewhere along the way, you went off the "common sense" rails.
And six month later, the Federal government is as successful at nation-building in NOLA as it is in Iraq. And, I might add, the "free market" system is following right behind.
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Chrisisall: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
gasp!
The sad truth is that Federal money is being pulled from first responders (fire fighters, police, hospital emergency personnel etc.) and being shoved into anthrax detection. (BTW I find it interesting that the programs that are furthest advanced are related to anthrax. Recall the anthrax letters... the presence of an anthrax detection program tells me that they REALLY don't know who mailed those letters...)
You can never keep a city 100% safe. The two worst terrorist attacks on American soil were low-tech. It would take an intolerable level of everyday intrusion in order to monitor for/ prevent that kind of attack.
What you CAN do is ensure a robust and well-trained response. Just getting all of the first-reponder agencies on the same emergency frequency and setting up flexible communication systems would be a giant useful step in ANY emergency situation. But we haven't gotten there YET.
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Chris:
You forgot me, I could of offered British Aid and been turned down...
*Resumes lurking*
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
You should never give powers to a leader you like that you’d hate to have given to a leader you fear
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Quote:LOL!!
Originally posted by citizen:
Chris:
I could of offered British Aid and been turned down...
That's great.
Sorry I left ya out, I had literally 4 minutes to post that...
Just trying to unite us a little; no one here likes to fight..
*starts choking on his Pepsi*
Well anyway, I don't..
*continues choking on his Pepsi*
Chrisisall, a Warrior, YEAH, RIGHT!
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Quote:That might work for most hurricanes and some earthquakes, but my professional expert opinion for all its worth is that it will not work if an adversary wants to detonate a nuclear device in an American city since most such terrorists will not be so courteous as to offer advanced warning. Any scenario that relies on the federal government to be the first or even a co-first responder in the advent of a major catastrophe is risking failure. Under even the best circumstance the federal government might not be on the scene until, resources are mobilized and reallocated, possibly from as far away as the other side of the country, and an operating picture has been developed. You can expect that to take between 24 and 48 hours after the event even under the best of circumstances; it might be quicker, but it’s reckless to count on it. I don’t think that what I’m saying is that controversial, but I also don’t think you really care, so I’m just going to shut up now.
Originally posted by SevenPercent:
What part of "they aren't first responders" is confusing you? Is it the part where I said, "they aren't first responders?" They should, however, be on the scene at the same time or shortly after, when called in advance of a major problem.
Quote:With all due respect to your sister and your confidence in her is admirable, but I don’t think that going on an all out assault on the executive or anything else is a criterion for impartiality.
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
My sister worked for the AP. It seemed pretty much an integral part of Capital Hill to her. Even if I didn't know that, anyone reading the result could see that it was just by reading it. Besides, it's common sense. An institution that close to people on the Hill are not going to tick them off. It would be a dumb thing for them to do. You're never going to see the AP with an all out assault on the executive.
Quote:Well, I doubt I’d follow anyone over a cliff, at least without appropriate safety equipment and a method of traversing the descent.
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I don't think you're being fair to Finn. I dont think, correct me if I'm wrong, that he's one prepared to follow Bush over a cliff when the point comes. I think he just thinks of him as better than the competition.
I’ve never been a 100% behind Bush or any political figure, that doesn’t necessarily mean that I think he’s a bad guy or that I don’t support him as President; it just means I haven’t always agree with him on everything, and I don’t think the issues are that black and white. And whether he’s better then the competition depends a lot of on the competition, but in this last election, I think this country made the right decision between Bush and Kerry. Quote:As the apparent de facto leader of Chris’ fictional government, I can assure you that British aid will be appreciated and willingly accepted. As a firm believer in Churchill’s Anglo-American alliance, if any of my staff turns you down, I might have to hammer on some people.
Originally posted by citizen:
Chris:
You forgot me, I could of offered British Aid and been turned down...
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
As the apparent de facto leader of Chris’ fictional government, I can assure you that British aid will be appreciated and willingly accepted. As a firm believer in Churchill’s Anglo-American alliance, if any of my staff turns you down, I might have to hammer on some people.
Good too know. Just give us plenty of warning, after subsequent Budget cuts and closure of Naval ports we'll have to hitch-sail accross the Atlantic, might take awhile...
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
You should never give powers to a leader you like that you’d hate to have given to a leader you fear
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Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
My guess is Auraptor is 45 and works for a defense contractor. But I'm just guessing.
I'm a bit surprised you didn't just come out and say Halliburton!
I'm only 40, and don't work for any large corp.
( not that any of that matters )
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