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Last of the Mohicans/Firefly

POSTED BY: ThePistonEngine
UPDATED: Friday, March 3, 2006 19:52
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Wednesday, March 1, 2006 3:49 PM

I like the initial post here, the line about the frontier does summons up the firefly verse.

As the only actual James Fenimore Cooper fan to post to this thread so far, a few random remarks and corrections.

First of all, yes, movie totally different from the book. No love interest between Hawkeye and Cora, rather some interesting simmering between her and Uncas. But the book plot would totally not play today, the heroes do not end up together it just does not work in Hollywood.

Second - there are 5 Leatherstocking Tales, not 4. In chronological order of story, the life of Nathanial Bumppo is told in The Deerslayer, The Last of the Mohicans, The Pathfinder, The Pioneers and The Prarie. This is not the order they were written, however.

The Deerslayer is hilariously and brutally poked fun at in an essay by Mark Twain for its heavy prose, and most folks who do not like Cooper share Twain's opinion.

As a history buff, I love the stories, and what they say about America, both in the time of the tales, and the times they were written.

But I loved the movie, changes and all.

See how I'm not punching him, I think I've grown!

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Thursday, March 2, 2006 1:20 AM

Weichi:

That's a way-too-bold statement to be making ("the only actual JFC fan to post so far...").

I admit I didn't know there were 5 books. I've always assumed 4 because that's all I read when I was a kid.

I've read his naval books (and enjoyed them, more then I did the leatherstocking books). Have you? Of course you have... you're the only one posting in this thread who is a "real" JFC fan. Would you care to debate me on them and be annihilated since you are so infinitely superior as only one true fan?

Please dude I'm fuckin dying to hear you support this argument that you are his only 'one true fan'. Tell us fake fans the real deal.

My all-time favorite naval books are the whole Horatio Hornblower series (please nobody start in on me about the gay-ass name, I know I know).

Best damned novels ever pertaining to life in the navy (any navy).

Single best novel about solo-sailing...

Joshua Slocum's "Sailing Alone Around the World". I built a boat and named it "The Spray"... not up to his specs (significantly worse to be quite honest)... but then it wasn't built to sail the circumference of the globe. I still put tacks on my deck when I'm in the savage ports of NY and Boston (can never be too cautious).

XG


No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

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Thursday, March 2, 2006 1:34 AM

and X-tra PS:

to anyone and everyone... check out the Horatio Hornblower flicks (I think it's a BBC thing)... holy fuck what a great series of flicks those are!!

Ioa-aeiou-ioan Gruffa-whats-his-name is a superb, outstanding actor. This guy is like super-duper star potential.

XG

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No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.[/b

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Thursday, March 2, 2006 1:38 AM

How in the hell did that "]" end up way over there?

This is a conspiracy!

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Thursday, March 2, 2006 3:15 PM

Sorry to have offended.

By my reading, no one had actually expressed "fandom" for JFC before I posted.

Forgive me for not recognizing that being only one off on the number of Leatherstocking Tales still makes you a fan. In fact, that you knew the term "Leatherstocking" certainly puts you ahead of the curve. I did not read your post to endorse the books. It simply presented some slightly inaccurate info. Most of the posts either criticised the books, or simply praised the movies. Perhaps I am not clever enough to read your comment "dont read the book. Its terrible compared to the movie" and immediately recognize a kindred spirit in Cooper fandom.

Although I have a complete set of Coopers Novels, I am not going to claim to have read them all - I have read one of his sea novels - "The Sea Lions" )and it was very good. I have also read "Satanstoe" and the other "Littlepage Manuscripts" That series was nice, but seemed to repeat alot of the themes as Leatherstocking, with less compelling characters.

I am not going to debate you. I was not trying to attack you. I was agreeing that the movie was very different from the book, and trying to emphasize, that even as a fan of the books, I can still apreciate a great movie, even if it changes, drastically, a story I hold dear.

See how I'm not punching him, I think I've grown!

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Friday, March 3, 2006 7:52 PM

Weichi:

No sir. I don't accept your apology. None should have been given. But I honor you for offering it up.

No apology was required. I'm the one who should apologize. My mind is a little pre-occupied with a bit of siege mentality. I over-reacted, and was the offender. For that, I'm sorry.

My apologies, and my compliments.

XG


No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

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