Can we legally form a church?
POSTED BY: Hixie129
UPDATED: Tuesday, March 7, 2006 01:29
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Originally posted by Kayna:
You know followmal, I really think the characters should be saints.
That way they can have thier own holidays and some saints even have thier own riligiouse sects. That way you and me and all the rest of us Mal freaks could worship him and have festivals and atribute miracles to him an such.
To fill the gaps in the Apostles we could use writers, and crew, and producers, and such. Definately Tim Minear should be one.
I think the characters should be apostles. I see Mal as the messiah character coz we're to hold til he gets back. That makes his followers, or crew, apostles, with Tracy taking the place of Judas for me as he was a follower of Mal and Saffron was not. Joss would be the father of Mal.
HIXIE129, I think the gospels from each apostle would be different from scripts as each character has such a unique view of the verse and relationship to Mal.
I agree with CANUNDRUM69 that there could be a lot to learn as it's already brought together some very different people in a warm fuzzy kinda way. And I also think it would be a great story/parabel (sp?) and a hoot and a half.
I would join the Church of Serentiy in a heart beat. And I would love to write the gospel of River (having been a loon myself, I feel especially qualified:))
"The world's divided into two groups, panda's and alligator boys."
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Ayatollah Khomeini says:
"How can you start a church based off of a TV show that was cancelled in its first season?"
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Hi, druidess,
I don't care; I want what the majority wants. (I just needed to say that one more time.) That was not directed to you.
Me personally, I look at it a little differently, I don't see Mal as the Messiah, Joss is the Messiah (God). He(Joss) has created the verse and everything in it. Mal and the characters are a way of bringing Joss's Word (The script) to us... That’s why the(characters) are the Apostles.
And using the scripts as Gospels eliminates some potential (technical problems.) Also everyone knows each and every word of every episode. So it's very easy to say "The next reading is from the Gospel According to the Shindig Episode, Scene one." And lastly Joss said that the ship Serenity was the 10th character and that River's feet was the 11th. Well although I would very much like to write about her feet, (very cute) it would be a little cumbersome. And lastly, lastly most of the Apostles in real life did not write the Gospels either. These are just my own thoughts.
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BelowZero, at least it won't be that special hell, and I made the change to the creed.
Next Joss took the cup, and when He had given thanks He gave it to us saying, "Drink of it, all of you; for this is Mudders Milk and its 15% alcohol. So we now do this in remembrance of Firefly.
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Originally posted by Hixie129:
Hi, druidess,
I don't care; I want what the majority wants. (I just needed to say that one more time.) That was not directed to you.
Me personally, I look at it a little differently, I don't see Mal as the Messiah, Joss is the Messiah (God). He(Joss) has created the verse and everything in it. Mal and the characters are a way of bringing Joss's Word (The script) to us... That’s why the(characters) are the Apostles.
And using the scripts as Gospels eliminates some potential (technical problems.) Also everyone knows each and every word of every episode. So it's very easy to say "The next reading is from the Gospel According to the Shindig Episode, Scene one." And lastly Joss said that the ship Serenity was the 10th character and that River's feet was the 11th. Well although I would very much like to write about her feet, (very cute) it would be a little cumbersome. And lastly, lastly most of the Apostles in real life did not write the Gospels either. These are just my own thoughts.
Mommy, what is "sects"?
Well, little Billy, sects is when two people have the same fundamental belief but view the details differently, so they either start a holy war with thousands to millions of people killing thousands to millions of other people in a state of orgasmic religious extacy, or, they agree one will have bingo and the other won't.
Or maybe it's when two people are drunk and one has handcuffs.
Nonono, it's the belief thing.
Yes, Rodney, we can all get along.
"The world's divided into two groups, panda's and alligator boys."
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Originally posted by Hixie129:
If this gets going I would like to form a monastic sect where day and night River's feet are worshipped. Also I think everyone should be able to worship any way they want, and the girls should have their maypole.
Yes! if you can worship River's feet then no more about us and Mal's maypole gorramit!
(this is all hilarious)
Way to go, Irreverend Hixie!
"Do not go gentle into that good night....
Rage, rage against the dying of the light. . ."
--Dylan Thomas
Though my soul may set in darkness
It will rise in perfect light.
I have loved the stars too fondly
To be fearful of the night.
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Originally posted by Hixie129:
Melam, that was absolutely beautiful! I had tears of joy in my eyes when I heard you sing. We'll play it at every service..
Awww, shucks and all thanks. Just looking to help spread the word of the Joss.
"Putting the Me in Mercinary, Jayne Cobb."
"Joss, what is the future of television? What will we watch? And how will we watch it? Surely you must know, for you are wise, and slender."
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I'm not sure if I'm real comfy with calling Joss "God."
I'm not interested in worshiping mortal people (they always let you down). And the real thing we're here for is Firefly, not Joss (although he is totally awesome, and we love him).
I think he'd have to be less of a God figure, and more of a Prophet. I mean... if you look at what he does, technically, he's more of a prophet. Also, I agree with the notion that the other writers and directors should be the apostles. Tim Minear should definately get some credit.
I like the idea of the characters being Saints, since that means we can have little candles to them, and pick our favorites, and etc.
I don't think that Saffron should get to be an apostle or saint or whatsits, since she's not technically a part of the ensemble, she's a guest start. I mean... she definately deserves some mention... just probably not on the level with the main ensemble.
And if we're giving guest stars mention, I think Nandi should get credit as a Martyr.
And objects such as River's Branch, Zoe's Gun, Wash's Dinosaurs, Veera, and so on, should be Holy Relics or some such like that.
The problem with having scriptures written by fans is that not every one can agree on that. If we take stuff directly from show, if it's all Canon material, I think that'll be the best way to keep everyone happy. Plus, it would be pretty cool to have a spiffy little book of all the scripts.
Of course, we can write prayers, proverbs, hymns, etc., because those are generally written by followers and you don't have to like them all because they're not technically considered docterine (at least not as far as I know).
But baptism in mudder's milk? Ew. I always picture mudder's milk being chunky... How about we're baptised in... i dunno... anything else.
Maybe Sake.
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this is the captain. we have a little problem with our entry sequence, so we may experience some slight turbulence and then... explode.
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Should I be disturbed, ashamed, incredulous or dying of laughter that this was the very first thread this late volunteer to the Browncoats has read here? Perhaps a combination of all the above? I know the last certainly applies.
In any case, I seem to have found my unit at last. 
And Cap'n Tightpants has a plow, not a maypole, gorram it -- though I suppose it could be turned into a maypole if it were b --
*cough* Sorry, can't continue. My voice seems to be frightening the cattle. Maybe if I droned...
'And when the brightness of the 'verse was shut away in the oblivion of the hungry fox spirit, lo, did one and a thousandscore Browncoats raise their voices in keening grief and outrage. "Thou hast forsaken us!" cried they. "Nay, I have forgotten thee not," intoned The Whedon from yonder golden hills in the Valley of Serenity, "for this 'verse was created of mine very heart and blood and soul, and yea, its loss too pains me. Thus shall I toil ceaselessly until it is restored and one and all may once again partake of its shininess." In harmonious unison did the Browncoats cry their relief, but yet again spake The Whedon, "Alas, the wounds to mine heart and blood and soul have been grievous and many, and thus shall I require of thine aid. Go forth and speak of Serenity and her nine shiny souls that those beyond shall awaken the Browncoats within them, for yea, a true Browncoat well knows when injustice has been done to one and all, and none will stand to allow one's fellow Browncoats to twist in the wind thus. So shall each Browncoat rally to our shindig, until the noise we make is so great that oblivion shall be rendered asunder and the hungry fox spirit cannot help but return the 'verse which is rightfully ours. Fear not the long nights filled with Reavers ahead, my devoted, for although it take uncounted sunsets, no one can take the sky from us." Thus did The Whedon's Browncoats set forth and speak of Serenity and her nine shiny souls, and thus do the armies of Independence grow. Yea, with the steadfastness of fireflies burning in their hearts and true serenity glowing in their eyes do they yet march forth, until such a sunset as This Land is returned them as is just and proper. And none who send of the signal hath The Whedon ever forgotten.'
*peers about* Good, looks like the cattle's gone to sleep. Then again, maybe I need sleep more, seeing as I had only three hours last night and can only blame this post on too many strawberries. 
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Originally posted by frankie:
I'm not sure if I'm real comfy with calling Joss "God."
I'm not interested in worshiping mortal people (they always let you down). And the real thing we're here for is Firefly, not Joss (although he is totally awesome, and we love him).
I think he'd have to be less of a God figure, and more of a Prophet. I mean... if you look at what he does, technically, he's more of a prophet. Also, I agree with the notion that the other writers and directors should be the apostles. Tim Minear should definately get some credit.
I like the idea of the characters being Saints, since that means we can have little candles to them, and pick our favorites, and etc.
I don't think that Saffron should get to be an apostle or saint or whatsits, since she's not technically a part of the ensemble, she's a guest start. I mean... she definately deserves some mention... just probably not on the level with the main ensemble.
And if we're giving guest stars mention, I think Nandi should get credit as a Martyr.
And objects such as River's Branch, Zoe's Gun, Wash's Dinosaurs, Veera, and so on, should be Holy Relics or some such like that.
The problem with having scriptures written by fans is that not every one can agree on that. If we take stuff directly from show, if it's all Canon material, I think that'll be the best way to keep everyone happy. Plus, it would be pretty cool to have a spiffy little book of all the scripts.
Of course, we can write prayers, proverbs, hymns, etc., because those are generally written by followers and you don't have to like them all because they're not technically considered docterine (at least not as far as I know).
But baptism in mudder's milk? Ew. I always picture mudder's milk being chunky... How about we're baptised in... i dunno... anything else.
Maybe Sake.
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this is the captain. we have a little problem with our entry sequence, so we may experience some slight turbulence and then... explode.
Hi Frankie,
I think that God can be of many essences, God of Creation, God of Love, God of truth, God of Redemption, God of healing and so on. Joss is Creator of Firefly/Serenity so maybe God of Story Telling? As for prophet, Jesus was God and a prophet too. So it still works.
I don't like that there should be more than 12 Apostles, anyone else can be Saints, or Bishops or something like. If more than 12 Apostles than the Bible would be broken, and we can't have that…
On Saffron, I think Saffron should be an Apostle. She was the best guest Character, she was really hot! She does fit the role of Judas the betrayer, and lastly she is still (technically) married to Mal, so she is a Mrs. Apostle.
Good point of Nandi, she definitely needs to classified as a Martyr
I do think the different objects like the gun, dinosaurs, etc should be holy relics…
Do you think we can have the branch as an Archangel? Because Arcadia has mention to me a couple of times about the branch (still trying to figure this one out) and in fact Arcadia said, "Never underestimate my love for that gorram branch, lol. It will always be in my heart. If it can't be an apostle, than maybe an archangel?"
It really sounds to me that there is some real connection between her and the branch (which is really a gun) but who am I to judge, I got this thing for River's feet, Arcadia is a tree isn't it. Maybe that's the connection..
And we definitely need more prayers, we need at min, a prayer to each apostle, Archangel, and so on.
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