Rumor has it

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DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 1:40 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,185290,00.html

Rumor has it, that this guy

is out, and one of these three

is in after the '06 elections. Anyone have a preference?

KHYRON

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 1:54 AM

McCain! McCain! McCain!

But seriously, Cheney is running that administration, I'd be *really* surprised if he resigned/got kicked out. And I'd be even more surprised if they put McCain in his place.

Nice rumor, though.

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 2:39 AM

Apparently this rumor has some basis in reality. Unless it was started by John McCain

But seriously, the GOP has gotten itself into a snag. Cheney can't run. Bush's popularity today dropped a whopping 5 points from the last poll to 34 over dissatisfaction over the dubai deal, probably coupled with cheney's hunting accident. Cheney trails Bush typically by 5-10 points which at a guess would put him solidly in the 20s. Running a candidate like that for office would be absurd. The democrats will run Hillary, who, regardless of what people think of her, is a known quantity. The Gop needs to get a known opposition.

From Cheney's PoV, and yes, I agree, he's running the show, thingsa might be much better for him if he were a little less spotlighty. Not only are his policies unpopular, but he has the personal charisma of a dead rat.

This is aside from the Bush wants Hillary to win conspiracy theory, which I subscribe to, but I don't think by any stretch that the GOP as a whole wants Hillary to win. I also think people who think a Hillary victory isn't a threat haven't watched her speeches. The woman has a rhetorical skill. She can get up in the Senate with a piece of mindless pork and make people think that if they don't vote for it they'll be condemning puppies to a tortuous death. I'm sure she'll get out there on the campaign trail in '08 and tell people that if they don't vote for her, Christmas will be cancelled and America will become a part of the UAE. Burkas for everyone. Kittens, also, will be in serious danger. Then the masses will forget about her voting record and personal murder history, and vote for her anyway.

I would agree that McCain has the best voting chance, I'm worried about his recent Iran stance. All this Iran-hawking is smacking of imperialism. America is suffering serious internal decay which needs to be addressed. An Iran with Russian troops in it is going to be no threat to anyone. And, if I know the Russians, they're not just going to send a couple of pencil pushers to watch the reactor. Overall, I'm a long term McCain fan. I don't hate the other choices though. It's possibly a win-win-win. None of them are Cheney, which is a serious plus.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 3:34 AM

If it's a rumor, it MUST be true.

Seriously, I don't see Cheney going anywhere. I pesonally think Cheney is the best VP this country has had in several decades.

But if he did, the I'd like to see either Allen or Rice in the VP spot. Allen and Romney are my 2 early favs for running in '08. While I think the world of Condi, I don't see her running. She doesn't have the taste for political campaigns, imo. Politics is too much a circus, and she's simply above that sort of thing.

As for McCain, I won't be voting for him, under any cirucmstance, period.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 3:51 AM

Ah, as long as such rumors fly, we who don't love Dick get to have our fun Those who do, have the rest of the time

I asked around locally, as my town, like this forum, has a fair number of democrats, though it's more republican on balance. about 3/4 of people I asked said they'd vote for McCain if he were running against an unnamed democrat. If that democrat were named Hillary, it went up to about 90%, if that democrat were Russ Feingold it went down to about 1/2. Curiously, McCain loses the extremes, but gets a larger middle share than most.

Condi didn't spur as much enthusiasm, but also not as much hatred as Hillary. I think on the campaign trail, Hillary would pick up a lot of support. I worry that Condi could lose if she ran.

Sadly, most people say Who's Allen? That is potentially a problem for him.

KHYRON

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:18 AM

The main problem I have with Hillary is not necessarily so much with her herself (although I don't really trust her), but the polarising effect she seems to have on people. People have very strong feelings towards her, either for or against, and I don't think, after a president like Bush, that having yet another partisan split is that good for the public.

I like both Feingold and McCain, and it would be great if they both ran in 2008, in spite of the fact that McCain would run for the Republicans, who I wouldn't necessarily want to see in power again because of the power the neo-cons would have as a result... then again, DT might argue that the neo-cons would still have that power even if the Democrats were in power, and in that case I guess it wouldn't really matter.

Anyway, my point is that McCain is a moderate and thus he appeals to people from both camps, which would make for a nice change. It'd be good if there were presidential candidates that are competent and intelligent, and at the same time have mass appeal, and we'd have that if Feingold and McCain both ran 2008 (wouldn't that be a great election?).

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 6:02 AM

Khyron,

You are right that I would argue that. My evaluation of presidents is actually a judgement of who I think they would appoint, which will define their team. I figure there are a few possible combinations: great leader, good team, which I think of as the Eisenhower govt. soso leader, good team, which I think of as the reagan govt. Bad leader, good team, which would be Clinton. Good leader, bad team, maybe Carter. bad leader bad team, Bush. Basically, analyzed that way, I think McCain would construct a good team. Allen, maybe, would, Condi, I'm not so sure, it depends whether she calls on her old shcool GOP friends or her new neocon ones. She might call on George Sr. to pick her cabinet.

Hillary I feel very sure would call on the people I call team evil. I would expect a few neocons, and some lieberman/kerry set folks, and no one from the feingold wing, or even realy the dean wing. The main problem with hillary comes if you've ever encountered some of the anti-clinton conspiracy stuff, which I gather Joss has, given the whole Bruckner thing. They paint her out to be really a go getter of evil. Someone who will actually kill to advance her career. I don't know if that's true or not, but that's the picture painted. Certainly the whole Vince Foster thing is very suspcious, and there were some less high profile cases. What she has going for her is she is a terrific speaker, which Bush most decidedly is not.

I'm not sure any of the three choices would result in a neocon purge of the GOP. I would consider McCain vs. Feingold a win/win.

At the moment, all other things being equal, a few issues would probably decide my vote:

1. Iran/Syria. I'd like to see a candidate on at least one side say that serial was a bad thing.

2. Patriot Act. Someone should address the idea of civil liberties.

3. Environment. I think that this is probably the biggest issue for me now. If someone was solidly better on this, they might beat out the others, but I would have to way it.

I mean, within reason. If one candidate said "I will halt greenhouse gasses but revoke the constitution" they probably wouldn't get my vote, but if they said "I'll stop deforestation world wide, but won't alter the patriot act" they probably could get my vote. If I believed them, which is becoming a big if.

I expect at the moment that Hillary will beat Condi in a three way split with Pat Robertson or James Dobson playing the stooge to split off the Xtian right. Then, once in office, she would follow an agenda of light liberal flavoring but no major victories for the left, and on the deepest levels, probably very much like Bush, same position on the agenda issues.

DAVEC5

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 9:49 PM

frankly, i think the Dickster should just take em all quail hunting and just see who survives.....

i did see this rumor on the Huffington Post, so there may be something to it....

does it matter who replaces the VP....the administration is still just as corrupt without him...

CARTOON

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I pesonally think Cheney is the best VP this country has had in several decades.

I was going to agree and say since Nixon -- but I actually think Cheney may be a better VP than Nixon. Nixon was a better politician/President, but he lived under Ike's shadow as VP.

Then I was going to say that he's the best VP since old TR to McKinley, but like Nixon, TR was in McKinley's shadow while the President was alive (he certainly surprassed him, and then some, after he died, though).

I honestly can't think of a stronger VP who's had such a major role in the administration. Most VP's did very little.

DREAMTROVE

Wednesday, March 1, 2006 1:29 AM

Oh, I so disagree. Cheney should have to pay upfront for the chance to be in the same sentence as Nixon

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