Bush hands security of America over to group with possible Al Qaeda connections

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Citizen,

I believe the challenge was a credible source. I think that proof of a Bush-Bin Laden link would be my sunny day by now, but I have no reason to believe that it's so. I followed that Salem Bin Laden conspiracy, but there was really nothing there. If I'm in business with Jeb, that doesn't mean I told Bush to invade Iraq.

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Sorry should of gotten back to you sooner. It was largely tongue in cheek, based on the fact that the Bush's have links to the Bin Laden's and the Bin Laden's have definite links with Al Qaeda (being the son is runnin' it an all) which means George Bush's links to Al Qaeda are no less flimsy than Sadaams, from what I see ...

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It's just the news media and the democrats blowing wind.

The FACT, which is something the news media hasn't told you is that they already own several ports in the USA. They own EVEN MORE internationally.

Why would they invest BILLIONS OF DALLORS to own ports in the US and in other continents/countries if they are just going to blow it up. They could just spend a couple hundred dallors to put a dirty bomb in a container and blow up whatever, rather than invensting billions of dallors like they are now.

And if they were to do something or if someone were to do something that SEEMED like their involvement they would lose so much, so much money they have worked for. They're invested in this.

This isn't a terrorist cell, this isn't a bad thing. Again THEY ALREADY OWN PORTS ALL OVER!! It's just the democrats and the news media blowing wind on what they either 1. Think are the enemy 2. Just trying to make Bush look bad as usual. I think it's both 1 & 2. 2 more than anything.

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Originally posted by citizen:

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Citizen,

I believe the challenge was a credible source. I think that proof of a Bush-Bin Laden link would be my sunny day by now, but I have no reason to believe that it's so. I followed that Salem Bin Laden conspiracy, but there was really nothing there. If I'm in business with Jeb, that doesn't mean I told Bush to invade Iraq.

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Sorry should of gotten back to you sooner. It was largely tongue in cheek, based on the fact that the Bush's have links to the Bin Laden's and the Bin Laden's have definite links with Al Qaeda (being the son is runnin' it an all) which means George Bush's links to Al Qaeda are no less flimsy than Sadaams, from what I see ...

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I haven't read any of these posts, just the title... :P

But I saw this one above mine.

I hate these idiot lies and rumours. I hope everyone knows that the Bin Laden family (not Osama though) own lots of stuff in the US.

I am tired of all these people and their jealousy and their greed. I'm a conservative, I vote Republican (or I will when I'm old enough), but even if the President is Democrat I still respect the man. I don't like Bill Clinton, I don't like anything that he did, but I respected the man because he was President. I had a certain respect where I wouldn't go off calling him names, or use a funeral to make him look bad (an event where democrat senators tried to make Bush look bad while Bush was sitting right behind them, it was recent). He's the President, and he should be respected rather than be lied upon and insulted.

But this isn't China, this isn't Russia or whatever. So anybody that doesn't like somebody whether it be the President or your next door neighbor can say whatever they want about them. That's the beauty of this country. If you say something bad about our Government or our President, you will still be seen tomorrow, and you will still be alive tomorrow.

Be grateful you live in this country (if you do). Even though it's controlled by Minorities.

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Dinky, you really think of this as just a "Democrat blowing wind" kind of thing? In my mind, the main reason the media is even covering it is because of the number of high profile Republicans that have come out against it. This deal had been known for a few days before it hit the media firestorm. The media started running with it when a number of GOP congressional members spoke out against it and President Bush threatened to veto it.

My problems with this deal?

I have been to UAE on a few occassions. I have never had any trouble as an American that spoke ZERO arabic in that country. However, this company is owned by that country's government. All profits will go to that government, not a capitalist company. Why does that present a problem in my opinion? Because that country hesitated when they were asked to freeze al Qaeda's financial assets. They also were one of only three governments to officially recognize the Taliban government in Afghanistan.

For those and other reasons, I definately think this 'deal' should be looked at. Of course, I realize that what they are buying is already owned by a British company. And I have a problem with that as well. (Even though they are our ally).

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Dinky:
You really did miss the point completely didn't you?

The point was not that Bush HAD links to Al Qaeda, it was that Saddam did NOT.

And maybe before you start calling things idiot lies and rumours you should actually know what you’re talking about, everything in my post is fact. The Bush family and the Bin Landen family DO have very close ties.

So frankly if I want to call Bush an Idiot, I will. I don't need to be preached at by you for calling him an idiot, because he is an idiot, sorry but all the unfounded respect in the world ain't going to change that. Neither are all the bought elections, or elections gained through the national fever of a "successful" war (it works, did for Thatcher as it did for Bush).

I respect Clinton more than Bush, at least he did work on the peace process (and by that I don't mean dropping bombs to 'pacify' people, though he did that too). Just so you know the position of president doesn't afford anyone any more respect than anyone else and too me Bush has consistently managed to act in a way too diminish any respect I could of had for him from the beginning.

Lastly I suggest you actually read the posts of this thread, before you start just blowing off wind, then you'd realise nothing you've said is at all relevent to this thread.

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Originally posted sacredchao:
For those and other reasons, I definately think this 'deal' should be looked at. Of course, I realize that what they are buying is already owned by a British company. And I have a problem with that as well. (Even though they are our ally).

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Why? British Telecom, which is largely responcible for the fixed communications of the British Military is partly American owned last time I chekced, this is more of a cause to worry for the British than a British company running port operations in an American port is cause for Americans to worry.

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Originally posted by citizen:

Why? British Telecom, which is largely responcible for the fixed communications of the British Military is largely American owned last time I chekced, this is more of a cause to worry for the British than a British company running port operations in an American port is cause for Americans to worry.

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I was not intending to imply that my dislike (for the British company owning) stemmed from a security point of view. I just feel that there is money to be made off of this port issue (and why would they be so obsessed with buying it if there were no profit?) then I think it should be someone from this country doing it.

Sure, that may seem too hardcore 'American', but I feel the same about other countries as well. I feel our government has a responsibility to support the people of this nation over the people of other nations. I do not begrudge other nations that feel and do the same.

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Fair enough, but that completly flys in the face of free market capitalism .

The rest I agree with.

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Originally posted by citizen:
Dinky:
You really did miss the point completely didn't you?

The point was not that Bush HAD links to Al Qaeda, it was that Saddam did NOT.

And maybe before you start calling things idiot lies and rumours you should actually know what you’re talking about, everything in my post is fact. The Bush family and the Bin Landen family DO have very close ties.

So frankly if I want to call Bush an Idiot, I will. I don't need to be preached at by you for calling him an idiot, because he is an idiot, sorry but all the unfounded respect in the world ain't going to change that. Neither are all the bought elections, or elections gained through the national fever of a "successful" war (it works, did for Thatcher as it did for Bush).

I respect Clinton more than Bush, at least he did work on the peace process (and by that I don't mean dropping bombs to 'pacify' people, though he did that too). Just so you know the position of president doesn't afford anyone any more respect than anyone else and too me Bush has consistently managed to act in a way too diminish any respect I could of had for him from the beginning.

Lastly I suggest you actually read the posts of this thread, before you start just blowing off wind, then you'd realise nothing you've said is at all relevent to this thread.

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I didn't call anyone an idiot. I called the rumours idiot :).

And I know as much as you THINK you know.

Tell me, what major conflict has ever been solved without a war?? Bush didn't start this war, but you liberals seem to think he did, and want it to be that way.

These 'ties' are that of media efforts to elminimate Bush. It's hard to convert someone to switch political parties because people base their political parties on their own beliefs (not that I'm trying to switch anyone).

And I never said you can't call Bush an idiot, infact I said that's your full right to.

Suddam was a suspect of a list of people. And Suddam was standing in the way of a lot of things for Iraq's people, and he was indeed a terrorist. He killed thousands of people under his thumb every chance he got.

And that's just it, my belief differs from yours. Just as it does from every other liberal democrat out there, even the very senators show they have no respect for Bush even though he is the President. But I do, why? Again because I said that's just the way I live my life, I believe in this country and I respect a lot of people I don't like or don't agree with. I believe a man in that position deserves respect.

There are plenty of people on my side that believe the same as you, only visa versa about Bill Clinton and so. I could go on and on about facts of Bill Clintons terms but that's not what this thread subject is about.

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