SciFi UK broadcasts censored??
POSTED BY: karr0ck
UPDATED: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 23:04
VIEWED: 9488
PAGE 2 of 2
The biggest faux pax I noticed is in the "previously on Firefly" at the beginning of "Heart" -- they show clips from "Message", scenes that don't chronologically occur until three episodes into the future.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:Tabitha -- I'm not sure, but I thought your rips were MPG's right?
Originally posted by Tabitha:
These are possibly the rips that I made - I didn't notice the cuts that you mention, or the speeding up of voices, but I will double check my copies as soon as I can.
The three I grabbed were AVI's that were source-tagged as PDTV.FOV.XVID. I know XVID is the video codec, PDTV is the video source and FOV is the ripping house. They also released an SVCD format file, but it never completed downloading.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by karr0ck:
The biggest faux pax I noticed is in the "previously on Firefly" at the beginning of "Heart" -- they show clips from "Message", scenes that don't chronologically occur until three episodes into the future.
Errr, but in the UK the air order of these eps was War Stories, Trash, The Message, HoG, OiS. I was watching out for these "previously on" segments, and they tallied okay with the air order.
Also, I agree with the poster above who sees Inara's announcement that she was leaving in HoG as a prelude to her statement at the beginning of OiS - "I don't know why I haven't left yet", or something to that effect. Makes perfect sense to me.
I have since rewatched HoG, and I really don't notice the pitch issue. If anything, I think UK channels are less ad-intensive than US channels (we only have one ad break during a 30 minute show, three breaks during an hour long show), so I really don't think the broadcasters would be shortening the show for advertising purposes.
But then, I am a UK resident, so if there is a difference in pitch associated with the transfer to PAL, perhaps I wouldn't notice anyway!
And yes - my eps were the MPEGs.
www.ascifi.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I don't know about TV EPs but motion films are filmed at 24 FPS (frames per second) because that's the movie format.
NTSC uses 30 FPS and to reach that there's a system called 3:2 pulldown or something. where they show several frames twice to get to 30. it's actually a bit more complex, because TV is interlaced and movies are progressive. but it's the general idea.
PAL has 25 FPS and to reach that they do speed up the tape. so PAL versions of films are a bit faster (about 4%). and to keep video and audio in sync the audio is sped up too and is higher pitched.
if TV EPs are filmed the same way movies are that would be the explanation.
both systems have their disatvantages though. in slow camera moves the NTSC versions aren't entirely smooth because some frames are shown twice.
Idefix
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by Idefix:
NTSC uses 30 FPS and to reach that there's a system called 3:2 pulldown or something. where they show several frames twice to get to 30. it's actually a bit more complex, because TV is interlaced and movies are progressive. but it's the general idea.
PAL has 25 FPS and to reach that they do speed up the tape. so PAL versions of films are a bit faster (about 4%). and to keep video and audio in sync the audio is sped up too and is higher pitched.
I was waiting for someone who actually knew something about the answer to this problem to weigh in. Thanks for the info Idefix - very informative.
I guess we really do learn something new every day!
www.ascifi.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:OK -- well, that explains it... so they still jumbled up the order. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I pulled this off of Fox's Firefly website before they yanked it:
Originally posted by Tabitha:
Errr, but in the UK the air order of these eps was War Stories, Trash, The Message, HoG, OiS. I was watching out for these "previously on" segments, and they tallied okay with the air order.
"Serenity"
1AGE00
Writer: Joss Whedon
Director: Joss Whedon
Airdate: 12/20/02
"The Train Job"
1AGE01
Writers: Joss Whedon & Tim Minear
Director: Joss Whedon
Airdate: 9/20/02
"Bushwhacked"
1AGE02
Writer: Tim Minear
Director: Tim Minear
Airdate: 9/27/02
"Shindig"
1AGE03
Writer: Jane Espenson
Director: Vern Gillum
Airdate: 11/1/02
"Safe"
1AGE04
Writer: Drew Z. Greenberg
Director: Michael Grossman
Airdate: 11/8/02
"Our Mrs. Reynolds"
1AGE05
Writer: Joss Whedon
Director: Vondie Curtis Hall
Airdate: 10/4/02
"Jaynestown"
1AGE06
Writer: Ben Edlund
Director: Marita Grabiak
Airdate: 10/18/02
"Out of Gas"
1AGE07
Writer: Tim Minear
Director: David Solomon
Airdate: 10/25/02
"Ariel"
1AGE08
Writer: Jose Molina
Director: Alan Kroaker
Airdate: 11/15/02
"War Stories"
1AGE09
Writer: Cheryl Cain
Director: Jim Contner
Airdate: 12/6/02
"Heart of Gold"
1AGE10
Writer: Brett Matthews
Director: Tom Wright
Airdate: ??
"Objects in Space"
1AGE11
Writer: Joss Whedon
Director: Joss Whedon
Airdate: 12/13/02
"Trash"
1AGE12
Writer: Ben Edlund & Jose Molina
Director: Vern Gillum
Airdate: ??
"The Message"
1AGE13
Writer: Joss Whedon & Tim Minear
Director: Tim Minear
Airdate: ??
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Sci-Fi UK showed the episodes in the correct order. The discrepancy in the 'previously viewed' sections was an artifact of the jumbled order that they were broadcast on fox. Tim Minear confirmed the following originally intended ordering.
Serenity(pilot)
Train Job
Bushwhacked
Shindig
Safe
Our Mrs. Reynolds
Jaynestown
Out of Gas
Ariel
War Stories
Trash
The Message
Heart of Gold
Objects in Space
Minor edits were made in Objects in Space to solve some continuity problems given that it was aired by fox after War Stories, with Trash, Message, and Heart of Gold not being aired at all. The edited portions of Objects in Space are supposed to be restored on the DVD release.
SergeantX
"..and here's to all the dreamers, may our open hearts find rest." -- Nanci Griffith
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Yep, there was quite a lot of excitement over the UK air order - I recall reading that Joss himself had made sure Scifi UK had the correct air order.
And I believe the "1AGE00" numbers are with regard to production order - which on many shows doesn't always tally with the air order.
www.ascifi.com
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME