If a new season starts, what will you want to see?
POSTED BY: Vivace
UPDATED: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 02:02
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I think we'd all like to see more of Firefly period. Just like I'd like there to be more Han Solo Books and I wish George would do Episodes VII. VIII and IX. Didn't like the "first" three as much as the orriginals, but I didn't think I would. I'd changed, George changed, times changed and so did technology. From 4 to 5 to 6, the technology didn't change as much as it did between the release of Episode VI and the release of Episode I. But I still re-watch them. It stimulates the imagination.
So, I just want to see more of the good stuff.
OK, came home and checked (turned on the subtitles), and the actuall quote is...
"I'd like to be the king of all Londinum and wear a shiny hat." - Mal
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Simon will have to start changing - and I want to see that.
No. 1, his relationship with Kaylee will change him in some way - he may relax a little more because he knows definitively that there's always going to be someone on his side. In addition, (no slam to the guys) regular sex seems to either calm some guys down, or rile them WAY up. We don't know which way Simon will react. He could also be one of those individuals to whom the sex is secondary, but the knowledge that he has someone in his corner makes all the difference. Whether Kaylee feels exactly the same way (definition / intensity) or not, he'll feel a bit less isolated.
No. 2, he and River balanced each other out. Now that she's perceived to be a touch more capable, now that she seems to be integrating into the crew a bit better, now that the others are beginning to see her as a worthwhile addition to the crew in and of herself...Simon could decide that there's far less need for him to act as River's protector. This has pretty much been his entire reason for existence for the last year in the 'verse. It's underlied just about everything he's done. Having something that fundamental, changed that rapidly - Simon may wobble a bit before he figures out where he stands, or he may silently implode, but I don't think that he'll just be able to seamlessly make the transition. This could bring him more into conflict with Jayne, with Mal, possibly even with Inara and Kaylee if he ever feels like their treatment of River somehow undermines (or doesn't take seriously) his position as River's protector.
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Gotta go with FollowMal on the whole Mal/Inara relationship. Them getting together and actually BEING in a relationship would be a bit... ermmm... anticlimactic for the show. We *need* that sexual tension between them - always so close to saying what they're feeling for each other, but just never the right time for it.
I'd love to see Book's past be unfolded SLOOOOOWWWWLLLY; think a 2- or 3-season arc for that one, where just the smallest hints are revealed at odd times, by any number of odd people the crew encounter on their travels. Book can keep appearing on the show in flashbacks in that way, or even in visions that River sees, or in "visions" that are really Mal imagining a conversation between them (since Book *did* seem to act as Mal's conscience - or "better angel" - a lot of the time).
It'd be nice to see Simon let go of River a little bit, as he realizes that yes, she's still screwed up, but it's now a *functional* kind of screwed up. This would allow River a little freedom to get them into new jams (and out of them as well), and it would let Simon actually become a REAL member of the crew, able to participate in, plan, and initiate heists, much like he did in "Ariel". Like Mal and Inara, though, his relationship with Kaylee would always seem to be in the wrong place at the wrong time; the big difference is, they'd actually HAVE a relationship. Or at least some sex. I'd hate to have to hear how Kaylee hadn't had nuthin' twixt her nethers weren't run on batteries. Oh, wait - I could stand to hear a little more. :)
What else? Niska, of course. There's going to be at least one more reckoning with Adlai Niska, because Mal was foolish enough to leave him alive.
Now, if only it would happen on my TV the way it does in my head, where all these people are still living out on the raggedy edge...
Mike
A baby seal walks into a club...
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Originally posted by grizwald:
3. Jayne (temporarily) falls hook, line and sinker for a babe they meet in a port. The romance is a quick failure, but it makes him start thinking, in Jayne terms at least, about settling down. With someone. But he doesn't know who.
Me: Meh, not much interested in Jayne settlin' down with someone. Don't know who'd win that mercenary heart. Don't much care to find out.
JW: I'm casting you in that part, GutterBall.
Me: I'm in.
And Leebo?
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Any firefly fans in the Kansas City, Missouri area?
I'm down in Joplin, and there are quite a few KC-area Browncoats that spoke up in an earlier thread posted by a guy named, aptly enough, KCBrowncoat.
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I don't really care all that much about anything focusing on Book as I think we've pretty much got the basics figured out. We can cover his backstory in bits and pieces as our crew continues to wander around the 'Verse.
I should think that a second season would focus a lot on many folks not trusting our stalwart band after so many of their "associates" were killed. Might get a renewed rebellion interested in recruiting anybody that shook up the Alliance so much, and the odd Alliance politico who isn't going to quietly go into retirement after Mal's broadcast.
Definitely a lot of focus on Zoe of course, and River's growth into becoming a full crew member. Simon's parents might make an appearance or two and he could be very conflicted...he might be able to salvage his career now that the events of the movie are over with.
Could be interestin', that's a fact.
Ferretman
From the High, Snowy Mountains of Colorado
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I'm a Newb, and as such have a lot to get off my chest so forgive the long post. I think some of the ramifications of the movie are being overlooked when thinking about the new series. Two things change everything:
1) the signal got out about pax/reavers
2) River is now a bona-fide tons-o-reaver ass kicking machine
1) Just a guess but the alliance will be more than just PO'd and regular folks in the verse might be pretty PO'd in the opposite direction. Maybe enough to see a whole lot of brown coats again? Isn't it possible we might get one of those Joss-patented major series turns? Wasn't the inspiration for our favorite show a book about the civil war? It would be silly to see the crew just go back to pulling heists knowing what they now know. I expect the crew would get involved in taking the fight to the Corp. somehow.
2)Now that it is clear that River is a weapon, the plots will need to take on more complexity to be believable. Mere heists aren't enough of a challenge, she's too powerful. She provides too easy a resolution to the old 'complications' via the fact she could always save the day if need be. One way to deal with this would be if she develops some ethical reason for staying out of the messes everyone else makes for themselves. This would be a mistake in my opinion because a kick-ass River would be a major draw to growing the fan base and sustaining a series.(anyone remember Buffy) Expanding the stage (no not Serenity, the scope)by putting River's abilities amidst bigger, badder foes than the backwater foes we got used to would also deal with this (refer to my first point about the makings for a war).
Would changing from running heists and committing "petty theft" to running covert missions for brown coats really be much of a stretch? Didn't you ever wonder whether quotes like "May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one" were more than character revelation/development and might be foreshadowing?
Maybe I just smell fire because I'm a pyromaniac midget.
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I'd like to see what the alliance is covering up about Earth-that-was.
Seeing as that story told at Serenity's beginning by the teacher is obvious propaganda, the pressence of bluesun, the lies about miranda, and that Joss has constantly been saying that firefly is about how in the future we have the same problems as we do today...I can surmise that the ruling class of the alliance is the same power elite corporate/government pressence in control of our present day world. Earth just got "used up?" Sounds like a weather balloon story to me.
They're hiding something....and the whole verse is gonna know.
-e
"Storms getting worse."
"We'll pass through it soon enough."
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Originally posted by GutterBall:
Me: Meh, not much interested in Jayne settlin' down with someone. Don't know who'd win that mercenary heart. Don't much care to find out.
Dude....ready? Ultimate plot twist.....River.
After your immediate dismissal wait for a sec....think about....
How crazy would that be?
-e
"Storms getting worse."
"We'll pass through it soon enough."
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Originally posted by DeadlyUnpredictableMidget:
2) Now that it is clear that River is a weapon, the plots will need to take on more complexity to be believable. Mere heists aren't enough of a challenge, she's too powerful. (...) a kick-ass River would be a major draw to growing the fan base and sustaining a series. (anyone remember Buffy) Expanding the stage (no not Serenity, the scope) by putting River's abilities amidst bigger, badder foes than the backwater foes we got used to would also deal with this (refer to my first point about the makings for a war).
Personally, I'd rather not go there. When I first saw the BDM, before having seen FireFly, I thought: "Okay, this girl's got some elegant moves on her." Now, about 6 weeks later, the whole River as fighting machine, though cute to watch perhaps, is really an aspect about River I'm least interested in. As far as I'm concerned, River's vulnerability is her strength (I know, that's not a line that would do real well on that "gorram doll" Serenity poster, but I'm sure there're folks who get my full meaning). The very last thing I need, sorry to say, is a Buffy-like River, POW, POW, slaying Reavers. You know, there's a reason I never watch Buffy, and always watch River.
I hope River stays the tender person she is; strong enough for us to feel happy for her growth; but vulnerable enough to keep you realizing it was Love for his beloved mei-mei that drew Simon half the way across the galaxy, unstoppable, to rescue her. That same Love is what draws people to FireFly, and to the theatre, and to the DVD stores. Equally unstoppable.
Hmm, been up nearly 24 hours now. Need sleep. Just wanted to say something about my River.
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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam
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Originally posted by asarian:
Personally, I'd rather not go there. When I first saw the BDM, before having seen FireFly, I thought: "Okay, this girl's got some elegant moves on her." Now, about 6 weeks later, the whole River as fighting machine, though cute to watch perhaps, is really an aspect about River I'm least interested in. As far as I'm concerned, River's vulnerability is her strength (I know, that's not a line that would do real well on that "gorram doll" Serenity poster, but I'm sure there're folks who get my full meaning). The very last thing I need, sorry to say, is a Buffy-like River, POW, POW, slaying Reavers. You know, there's a reason I never watch Buffy, and always watch River.
I hope River stays the tender person she is; strong enough for us to feel happy for her growth; but vulnerable enough to keep you realizing it was Love for his beloved mei-mei that drew Simon half the way across the galaxy, unstoppable, to rescue her. That same Love is what draws people to FireFly, and to the theatre, and to the DVD stores. Equally unstoppable.
Hmm, been up nearly 24 hours now. Need sleep. Just wanted to say something about my River.
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"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam
I agree that her vulnerability was part of her appeal, though the mystery about her was as much if not more of it for me. The BDM changed both and things can't be just like they used to be. That was the point of my post. A new season's plots can't ignore the "why didn't River just kick some ass" element that can now creep in to every other situation. It will have to be dealt with somehow. I would be pretty dismayed to pretend the BDM didn't happen.
Though I don't want to see River kicking butt all the time either, I disagree a little with you here. I think it would be foolish to assume that none of the new fans spawned from the BDM would want to see River kick some butt. Personally the kick-butt with humor element PARALLELED with the tenderness is what drew me to the show, movie and DVD store. I actually lean a little more towards the kick-butt with humor myself, but hey I am more of a "free soup" kinda guy if you know what I mean.
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