Shepard and Wash

POSTED BY: mirak
UPDATED: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 06:09
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MIRAK

Monday, February 20, 2006 12:28 AM

I was curious, has Joss said anything about Shepherd and Wash returning if Firefly continues, or were they killed off because they wanted out of the project?

DONCOAT

Monday, February 20, 2006 12:33 AM

Neither actor wanted out, if their statements are to be believed. The events in the BDM were done for dramatic reasons within the context of the story, not for any real-world reasons.

Joss has made statements to the effect that both Wash and Book would be back in any sequels, but he hasn't explained exactly how that would work.

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I don't disagree on any particular point.

DAGON93

Monday, February 20, 2006 1:26 AM

Just do what a few TV series have done and have one of the chatacters wake up like from a bad dream and that's that.

Explode?! I don't wanna explode!

DAVESHAYNE

Monday, February 20, 2006 3:43 AM

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Originally posted by Dagon93:
Just do what a few TV series have done and have one of the chatacters wake up like from a bad dream and that's that.

I doubt Joss would yank our chains that badly. I figure they can do Book as a robot ala Alien with memories loaded up from a personality database maintained by the "abby." And then he could pull a Herbert and have Wash come back as a Ghola.

Select to view spoiler:

With no memory of his former life untill he is ordered to kill Zoe and his cellular memories start flooding back to him.

David

"A lot of people are asking me, you know, what exactly is Firefly? It's a tv show you morons!" - Joss Whedon

ACRAZYIVAN

Monday, February 20, 2006 5:03 AM

They could always have the series pick up where it left off before Serenity came out. Follow the comics that are out, as well as throw in as many other adventures as were wanted. The only downside to that is we still wouldn't learn Shephard Book's past, since they don't know about it in Serenity.

"We've gotta go to the crappy town where I'm a hero."

DAVESHAYNE

Monday, February 20, 2006 5:21 AM

I'm on record as being opposed to the prequel notion. I think it really deflates the dramatic tension if we know how things are going to end up. But if anybody could pull it off it'd be Joss.

David

"A lot of people are asking me, you know, what exactly is Firefly? It's a tv show you morons!" - Joss Whedon

SAZMAN

Monday, February 20, 2006 9:00 AM

> I think it really deflates the dramatic tension if we know how things are going to end up.

Exhibit A: the new Star Wars trilogy...

OLDMANSPLITFOOT

Monday, February 20, 2006 12:00 PM

One idea I've thought about that would probably just confuse people would be to make the theorhetical season 2 have a kind of "Out of Gas" aspect to it. One episode could be about Mal and Zoe during the war, the next could be a couple months after the actions on Miranda were revealed to the rest of the verse, and anywhere in between. That way Joss could have his dead Book and Wash, and we could have our live Book and Wash.

But, like I said, it would probably just confuse people to do it like that. If the second season ever got made, we wouldn't want to confuse new fans away. The last thing we'd want would be a reason for network braindeads to bitch about. (All therhetical of course, /sigh.) Flashbacks are one thing, but devoting whole episodes to a more or less random time period could be disoreienting. I'm more or less used to it, having read Stephen King's It about thirty times in the past ten years. I've actually sort of come to like showing up in the middle, as long as the story is set up that way.

MIGHTYROAR

Monday, February 20, 2006 1:56 PM

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Originally posted by sazman:
> I think it really deflates the dramatic tension if we know how things are going to end up.

Exhibit A: the new Star Wars trilogy...

Yep, especially episode III, things were just forced into the story, made it very clumsy storywise. You knew yoda and obi wan were going into hiding. You knew the how the emperor and vader were going to look. There were no surprises at all in that film.

MIRAK

Monday, February 20, 2006 2:55 PM

Who says a new Firefly series would have to track with Serenity? Remember, Serenity didn’t exactly track with the original Firefly. They are just stories, and there is no harm in them being different. Example, in the Gospels, there are 4 different versions of the life of Jesus – they get the main points consistent, but there are a lot of differences. In one story Wash and Shepherd die, and in another they don’t – so what?

I would much prefer that these stories simply diverge rather than dredging up some contorted way to make them consistent, whether that is reincarnation, time travel, androids, or whatever. One of the reasons Firefly is such a great series is that it doesn’t have any of that campy sci-fi stuff. (No offense to the Trekkies on this board.)

Additionally, I agree with the above posts – I think very few of us would want a show full of flashbacks where you already know the ending.

In my opinion, the first episode of a new Firefly series should mirror Joss’s struggle to get the series back on the air – Serenity is grounded and the crew is struggling to get her flying again, perhaps having to deal with backwater powerbrokers to get the parts they need (not to make it too much like Star Wars Episode I.)

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