When does it become 'politics'?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 18:35
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Quote:Didn't Jlo's ex-boyfriend have a similar hunting accident? In Brooklyn, I think (or was it L.A.?). He had to answer questions pretty fast...well, until the high priced laywers threw up a forcefield...
Originally posted by Storymark:
24 hours is too long to wait before reporting something like this.
Feelin' the effects of the virus now Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
ChrisPV, I get your points and agree with them, but I have to say, I don't like or dislike the men, I judge their actions or inactions.
Clinton lied to cover up illicit sexual activity.
Bush/Cheney lied about (or were wrong about, which in my eyes is worse) WMD's to start a WAR.
I don't hold with people dying to further some lame-ass geo-political agenda.
Calling someone on giving orders plainly aimed at preserving economic status quo while getting good soldiers killed under the false notion of national defense of imminent dangers just ain't political, it's realistic assessment of deceit and wasted life.
Or so I believe, anyway.
Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. I find Cheney to be a profoundly unlikable character, but that has nothing to do with this situation. It was an accident, albeit a rather stupid one for the VP. However, I personally see no bearing here on how this would affect his standing as the VP. If one does want to torch him, and I have done so with this administration on numerous occasions (No Child Left Behind is the biggest pile of go-se you're EVER going to see), I simply think this is a very poor choice of tactic. Especially when, as you said, there's that whole "No WMD" thing to use, to say nothing of the Halliburton no bid affair, Valerie Plame, etc.
My point is, there's a lot of meat out there to question his capabilities, and by extensions those of the Bush White House. By comparison, this particular incident isn't worth mentioning. It just happed that a man did something stupid and pepper his friend with birdshot, and he happened to be the Vice President.
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal, Fox!
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Quote:Thanks, ChrisPV, you've helped me find the answer to my original question, I think.
Originally posted by ChrisPV:
My point is, there's a lot of meat out there to question his capabilities, and by extensions those of the Bush White House. By comparison, this particular incident isn't worth mentioning.
Politics n. 1. Relates to unimportant matters or discussions dressed up to look as if they have some bearing on the real or immediate issues at hand. 2. Nonsense weaved into legitimate discourse. 3. Felgercarb (see: go-se).
Chrisisall
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Quote:The appearance of a cover-up of illegal activities is a legitimate question. There is also the exercise of special privilege unavailable to the most everyone else. that makes a mockery of "equal under the law". As I heard elsewhere, sure Cheney took responsibility, but only after escaping consequences.
However, I personally see no bearing here on how this would affect his standing as the VP.
In another thread I posted my opinion that the shooting per se wasn't the issue. I still maintain that opinion.
And then again there is the pure personal reaction. Cheney comes across as a conniving weasel. It has nothing to do with his performance as a VP or any legal matters.
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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Quote:Make that "equal under the $dollar sign$"
Originally posted by rue:
that makes a mockery of "equal under the law".
Fortune and glory, kid Chrisisall
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Everything is politics.
Politics can mean the interpersonal relationships between individual humans, the interactions between nations I've even seen it used in conjunction with the interactions between animals.
Anything that isn't a natural event (rising setting of the sun, earthquakes, assuming their not caused by dr evil, et al) is politics.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Personally, I don't really buy the "cover-up" thing. Primarily because I like to think that, if the government did want to hide this, it'd do a much better job. They were able to keep the shooting under wraps for, what, 24 hours? Less? That's not exactly the kind of media control I want from my oppressive regimes.
In addition, I doubt anyone could have reasonably expected this to be swept under the rug. Word would have gotten out. I cast my vote for a combination of Cheney, perhaps, actually wanting to make sure this fellow was alright, and him not wanting to jump right out into the press when he wasn't quite prepared. I doubt that anyone, even Dick, could just shoot a human being and walk it off like nothing happened. He'd want to be at his most charming for the big reveal.
Well, as charming as Dick Cheney gets at any rate.
Oh, and Citizen, stop playing semantic games. You know what Chrisisall meant. I know your games, I've seen you tearing apart those poor souls in the "Islamic cartoon riot" thread. You little heathen.
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal, Fox!
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Quote:Well, that didn't take long. I had hoped to see more personal, real life comments here, instead of the standard political rhetoric.
Originally posted by citizen:
Everything is politics.
Chrisisall
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Crispy-VEE
(that's how it reads)
Quote:Oh no, the cover-up wasn't for the shooting. It was for something else.
Personally, I don't really buy the "cover-up" thing. Primarily because I like to think that, if the government did want to hide this, it'd do a much better job. They were able to keep the shooting under wraps for, what, 24 hours? Less? That's not exactly the kind of media control I want from my oppressive regimes.
One scenario, after Whittington got carted off, Cheney went and had a little drinky-pooh back at the ranch (fact). The only thing I can think is that IF he'd been unable to dodge being breathalyzed, he would have been able to claim - no you see officers, I wasn't snookered at them time, I got snookered afterwards.
Another scenario is that the long delay was about getting all the stories straight.
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Well, that didn't take long. I had hoped to see more personal, real life comments here, instead of the standard political rhetoric.
Originally posted by citizen:
Everything is politics.
Chrisisall
What the fuck! my post was relevant to this fucking thread! Jesusfuckingchrist!
AUCitizen
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