Cheney goes on a rampage!!

I'm not a hunting person. I fired a home defense shotgun- once. I used to go plinking with a .22, so although I'm not agin' guns, I'm not real familiar with them either.

But this whole distance thing has been bothering me since this started. I just can't square birdshot penetrating to the liver or anyhwere near the heart if the distance was 90 ft, particularly if the victim is wearing a vest, shirt and possibly a jacket. Plus, we get "reports" of Whittington but we haven't seen his face. So I'm still left wondering about the spread and penetration of the wound. It just bugs me.

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Originally posted by SignyM:

But this whole distance thing has been bothering me since this started. I just can't square birdshot penetrating to the liver or anyhwere near the heart if the distance was 90 ft, particularly if the victim is wearing a vest, shirt and possibly a jacket. Plus, we get "reports" of Whittington but we haven't seen his face. So I'm still left wondering about the spread and penetration of the wound. It just bugs me.

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Obstruction of Justice is the crime that Martha Stewart was convicted of, which is making a false statement to police, when NOT under oath to tell the truth. This is a separate crime to assault or negligent discharge of a firearm. Texas is the same state that genocided an entire church of Christians for the non-crime of allegedly not buying a $250-permit, and Cheney confessed to not buying a $7 permit stamp. "Crawford" IS Waco.

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Since people don't often bother to follow links, especially mutlitple ones, I thought I'd post this here:

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... We erected man sized torso targets for the shots from 90 feet, 30 feet, 15 feet, and 10 feet. We also made shots from both barrels. The first shot was from 90 feet into the paper target on a cardboard backing, this gave a spread of approximately 7 ½ feet... Most of the pellets were lodged in the cardboard with a few completely penetrating the 1/8 of an inch cardboard.

The next shot involved the latex torso dummy we brought, he was dressed in two layers of clothing, a sweater and a shirt. Mr. Whittington was reported to be wearing 3 layers. Again this shot was from 90 feet, most of the shot that hit the target were caught in the fibers of the clothing, a few actually penetrated through both layers, but these were extremely shallow and could be picked out with your fingers or tweezers.

The next shots were taken at 30 feet in case [there was a mistake between} yards to feet. This yielded a spread that was more than 2 feet in diameter, still at least twice as wide as the Texas Park and Wildlife Hunting Accident and Incident Report Form indicated.

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Perhaps the accident report was wrong- the distance from the face to the liver (two known points of penetration) is about two feet, altho that would define the EDGES of the pattern.

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So we have established the distance of the shot. Now we wanted to see if we could match the wound penetration. As I already stated the shots at the dummy torso from 90 feet had little to no effect. Alex then decided to shoot the game hen and the watermelon from 90 feet. The results of these shots were penetrations of 1 to 2 millimeters, this means they were just under the outer layer of skin. There was also evidence of impacts that bounced off, leaving black smudges on both targets. At shots taken from 30 feet slightly deeper penetrations, but nothing that went passed the most outer layers of the actual meat. The last shot was taken at the game hen from 15 feet and that shot yielded the kind of results that Mr. Whittington experienced, a tight cluster of pellet hits penetrating into the internal cavities of the body.

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Again, I'm not sure that Whittington experience a "tight cluster" of pellets, but they DID penetrate more deeply than I might have expected from 30 yards.

Also, I think he may have gotten more shot into his torso than his head. But since head wound bleed like crazy, they may have looked worse in the filed than the more consequential injuries.

Ah, and apparently a picture:
www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/17/cheney/index.html



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write:

Duhhhhhh, I'm a moron, I can't count as high as my IQ but I think it's 25. DDDDDDDDDDDUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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I feel sorry for your moronic IQ. You are obviously braindamaged, probably permanently. It must be horrible to go through life as stupid as you are. But you obviously have plenty of Special Ed friends here, who are equally illiterate and incapable of rational thought, with suicidal tendencies. Perhaps you can all hook up and shoot each other? DO IT NOW!

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Ah, another well-reasoned response from Piratenews.

I think that's the first time I've seen anyone on these boards stoop low enough to actually make up a false quote. Shows how much faith you have in your own communication skills. Truely pathetic.

I note that you didn't actually address my problems with your "argument".

So, I'll just take your failure to actually respond, and your gradeschool level tactics as confirmation that you have nothing to back up your claims.

You may resume fuming at the world from your Mommy's basement now. Cheers.

And I would tell you my real IQ, but your self-esteem seems low enough as is.

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Thanks for that info, SIGNYM.

I've been wondering about the distance and the degree of penetration myself. 30 yards just didn't seem right. 30 feet I could imagine producing such results, but from what you posted, even that seems a bit off.

Too bad all we can really do at this point is speculate. I doubt we'll ever get a more complete picture of the event than we have now.

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I wonder about the penetration as well. The other thing I wonder about is injury to the right (liver). If Cheney was going south (no pun intended) and swung to the west (his right), Whittington should have received most of the shot to his left. That does not appear to be true for his face. And how did pellets penetrate the liver on the right?

As to spread, perhaps Cheney let him have it with both barrels.


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Originally posted by rue:
As to spread, perhaps Cheney let him have it with both barrels.

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Oh, you are SO bad....


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