new entry from germany

POSTED BY: Lightspeed
UPDATED: Saturday, February 18, 2006 21:42
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LIGHTSPEED

Wednesday, February 15, 2006 4:52 PM

thx to everybody for the warm welcome.

thx too for indulging my english … i‘ ll try to improve

@prosperine: wow … better german than my english i think. Studying in Munich? maybe you want to visit other areas … munich is approx. 8 hours by train from here.

@followmal thx for the browncoat, too much honour for a new entry …

@cby sorry to bother you with the subject … but i think, bothering about that is a typical german attitude too isn‘t it?… let‘s be world citizens and fireflyfans in the first place

@kyzir Just bought my 2nd copy of Firefly to lend. Nice idea to spread the word ;-)

@nuclearday

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Keep the faith, spread the word, and we'll all be holding the line together when Mal finally gets back.

that‘s what i am here for …

thx to everbody again for responding.

KAELE

Wednesday, February 15, 2006 5:17 PM

Welcome Lightspeed. I see FollowMal has got you all equipped, so come and pull up a chair.

Just for you, we'll put on sauerkraut and some kielbasa. But you gotta promise to eat it with chopsticks. :)

Don't be afraid to post, most of us purposely don't use correct english anyway. Some of us on purpose, some by accident.

Guten Tag. Wie gehen Sie? Ich spreche nicht Deutsch. That's the extent of my language expertise from three years of German in high school. I try and learn how to say, "I don't speak your language." It's a handy thing. Je ne parles pas Francais.

The one thing that's the most important is: we all love Firefly and Serenity. That kinda breaks down a few language barriers when we hear people say they love it too.

Welcome and make yourself t'home.

Kaele
AIM - Dewlanna
YID - jedi_kaele

CBY

Friday, February 17, 2006 8:10 PM

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Originally posted by Kaele:
Guten Tag. Wie gehen Sie? Ich spreche nicht Deutsch.

Sorry, I am way too late, but "how do you go?" is a very interesting way to ask for someones health

(I prefer to go forwards).

A teacher told me once: "If you hear a foreigner making a mistake correct him on the spot so he doesn't get used to it." So here is my (unwanted) little advice for you:

You have to put in the German relative pronoun "es" (it's an idiomatic phrase so "es" doesn't actually refer to something in this case) so the listener gets the right connotation.

--> Wie geht es Dir? (not polite, singular)
--> Wie geht es Ihnen? (polite, singular)

...and so on.

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KHYRON

Friday, February 17, 2006 8:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CBY:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kaele:
Guten Tag. Wie gehen Sie? Ich spreche nicht Deutsch.

Sorry, I am way too late, but "how do you go?" is a very interesting way to ask for someones health (I prefer to go forwards).

A teacher told me once: "If you hear a foreigner making a mistake correct him on the spot so he doesn't get used to it." So here is my (unwanted) little advice for you:

You have to put in the German relative pronoun "es" (it's an idiomatic phrase so "es" doesn't actually refer to something in this case) so the listener gets the right connotation.

--> Wie geht es Dir? (not polite, singular)
--> Wie geht es Ihnen? (polite, singular)

...and so on.

Since we've moved on to the subject of German grammar, I'm a bit unsure about something at the moment. Is "Ich spreche nicht Deutsch" grammatically incorrect or not? Usually one would say "Ich spreche kein Deutsch", but I'm not sure if "Ich spreche nicht Deutsch" might also be acceptable, even though sounds wrong.

CBY

Friday, February 17, 2006 8:51 PM

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Originally posted by Khyron:
Since we've moved on to the subject of German grammar, I'm a bit unsure about something at the moment. Is "Ich spreche nicht Deutsch" grammatically incorrect or not? Usually one would say "Ich spreche kein Deutsch", but I'm not sure if "Ich spreche nicht Deutsch" might also be acceptable, even though sounds wrong.

Well, it's the same difference as in:
"I am not a good guy"
"I am no good guy"
The semantic truth conditions stay the same so both sentences are valid. You can see this by paraphrasing them:

"I am not a good guy" --> you (seen as an element) are not in the group of good guys.

"I am no good guy" --> "beeing a good guy" isn't part of you (seen as a group of attributes).

It means the same after all .

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ISAACSHEPHERD

Friday, February 17, 2006 9:00 PM

Lightspeed,
Welcome aboard! I'm new here myself. Just wanted to drop a line and bid you welcome! Auf wiedersehen!
IS

KAELE

Saturday, February 18, 2006 4:42 AM

*laughs*

Well, considering my German lessons were 15 years ago...? I'm surprised my own self that I even remembered a few words.

See that's why I fully appreciate foreigners learning English at all. We have all sorts of grammatical rules that half our population does not even follow.

I swear, I'm much more refined in person. (comes from being a teacher IRL) I just don't particularly put out the effort on these boards. :)

Je ne parles pas francais. (learned that 20 years ago!!!)

Kaele
AIM - Dewlanna
YID - jedi_kaele

KIZYR

Saturday, February 18, 2006 7:31 AM

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Originally posted by Lightspeed:
[B]@kyzir Just bought my 2nd copy of Firefly to lend. Nice idea to spread the word ;-)

Good to hear!

Say, sorry if this has already been mentioned, but I was curious about something: do your DVDs have German subtitles? If not, are you having to import them?

While we got on the subject of languages, I can always point out that my name is German, even if I don't speak a word of it (Kaiser; the name I use online is an unconventional Russian spelling of it, I think). And all the French I know, I picked up from rap music. My Spanish and Japanese are fine, but I'm wanting to maybe study Chinese and French, the former due in no small part to Firefly {^^}. Oh yeah, and the business opportunity. Firefly's an added personal incentive.

Lastly, it's been my experience that the people who apologize for their possibly poor grammar always end up speaking (or writing) English very clearly. All the folks who really need to apologize, they never do--and they usually are native English speakers, too. KF

~KF

Lord, I'm walking your way. Let me in, for my feet are sore, my clothes are ragged.
Look in my eyes, Lord, and my sins will play out on them as on a screen. Read them all.
Forgive what you can and send me on my path. I will walk on until you bid me rest.
~Haven Prayer

CBY

Saturday, February 18, 2006 3:31 PM

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Originally posted by Kizyr:
Say, sorry if this has already been mentioned, but I was curious about something: do your DVDs have German subtitles? If not, are you having to import them?

What do you mean by "them"? We don't need to import the Firefly boxes, if this is what you meant. I bought mine in a normal store (called "Media Markt").

We have a normal German Firefly box set with German dubbing. There are subtitles too (I guess), but I generally prefer to watch movies in English without subtitles (most DVDs allow this) because actors use their own voice and my English is good enough by now to understand about 85% of a movie the first time I see it (contractions, accents and uncommon terms can be pretty diffcult to understand).

I don't like subtitles in general because you can either read them or watch the actual movie.

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CAPELLA

Saturday, February 18, 2006 5:05 PM

In fact, normally all foreign movies and TV-series are dubbed with German audio tracks when they go to the cinemas or on TV here. This is good for people who are not fluent in English, but it can be very annoying if you already know the original voices and/or script since many details tend to get lost in translation.

On most German DVD releases you can choose between the English and the German audio track. Actually that is one of the reasons I almost never go to the cinema any longer but wait till the movies are available on DVD, becaus in that way I can watch them with the original dialog in it.

I sometimes switch the subtitles on, though, but the English ones, because when I don't understand what is being said, it normally is not because I don't know the words they use, but because sometimes there are speakers with a heavy accent.

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