Objects In Space.

POSTED BY: Bishop
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BISHOP

Thursday, September 11, 2003 6:41 AM

im having a bit of difficulty with this line here, maybe someone could shed some light on the meaning..

the scene happens when River is wandering around the ship reaching out to everyone one at a time. in the mess area Book and Jayne are there. Jayne says "I got stupid, the money was too good", and then book says "I dont give half a hump if you're innocent or not, so where does that put you?" what does that mean, what is he referring to? Is he talking about Jayne, does he know what happened? or is he alluding to something in relation to River or someone else?

EDIT: btw, River's expression is priceless right then too :)

BISHOP

Thursday, September 11, 2003 7:19 AM

something else I just noticed too.. when Jubal first lands on serenity and peeks into the mess area window from outside, he isnt wearing a glove on his hand.. his gloves are red, but in that scene, it looks like his uncovered hand grasps the side of the window..

MANIACNUMBERONE

Thursday, September 11, 2003 8:42 AM

I think Book is referring to Jayne's betrayal. I don't know how he knows though. might have been Simon who told him. that'd be my guess. It's interesting that he doesn't care about Jayne's innocence though, as he is a preacher. Book, like Mal, is more concerned about the loyalty of the crew than their crimes. This says interesting things about Book.

I'll have to watch that scene with Early again to check on the glove conundrum you mention.

...and by the way Bishop, where did you come up with your name? ...cause it's mine too.

SARAHETC

Thursday, September 11, 2003 1:22 PM

Y'all think Book is remarking that to Jayne? That never occured to me and now that it does, it makes a lot more sense. Or is at least a lesser mystery.

I always assumed that Book's remark was meant for River and that's why she looks so shocked.

But now, like, my mind is altered. If Book's remark isn't meant for/about River then nobody elses is either, except maybe Jayne. Or, alternately, only those that make eye contact with her during that period are really talking to/thinking about her. That wouldn mean that really on Simon and Jayne are concerned with her-- which makes a lot of sense.

Of course, this makes Book's remarks more mysterious again, but in a different way.

I'm having a total mental paradigm shift or something. Thanks guys.

Sarah

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

IDEFIX

Thursday, September 11, 2003 1:45 PM

I have to watch OIS again. that seams to make a lot more sense and I never saw it that way before.

...where are my Firefly CDs?

Idefix

KAYTHRYN

Thursday, September 11, 2003 3:14 PM

But was Jayne’s “I got stupid, the money was too good” just about his recent betrayal to the Tams or was it about all the other stupid things he’s done in the past for money? Do you think River was hearing just something that everyone was thinking about right then, or just something? Maybe Book wasn’t even talking about Jayne. And maybe Jayne was talking about some other past stupid thing, for instance the time he pushed his buddy out of the hover craft in hopes that he could make away with the stolen money. When Book and Jayne were talking about him being a Saint he could have been thinking of some other time he betrayed someone because the money was too good.

Maybe.

Well, okay, or not.

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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Aristotle

SERGEANTX

Thursday, September 11, 2003 4:07 PM

It never seemed to me like Book's comment had anything to do with River or Jayne. The complete change in personality exhibited when he says the line indicates to me that this is revealing something about a side of his personality completely removed from anything we've seen while he's been with the crew of Serenity. He's either leading some kind of dual life, or this is something from deep in his past(my assumption), fueling the various theories about who Book really is.

It's possible the anticipated movie will shed some light on this. But this kind of issue raises an interesting question concerning how the movie will deal with the various story arcs that began in the series. It seems to me, given that the movie will have to be a self-contained story, that any kind of mysteries touched on will be resolved in a more or less complete way. One of the most enjoyable things about the series is the way each of the characters situations is revealed incrementally, given deeper understanding but always leaving you with as many questions as answers. Would you all prefer that these kind of mysteries be resolved in the movie, or would you rather take your chances, hoping that the series will find its way back on the air and give the story arcs their originally intended development?

Keep in mind that Joss has stated publicly that the movie is intended as a one off production, and not an attempt to jump-start the series....Yeah, right, sure.

SergeantX

"..and here's to all the dreamers, may our open hearts find rest." -- Nanci Griffith

MAGUINAN

Thursday, September 11, 2003 5:00 PM

I'm weighing in with the sarge on this one. I think some of the lines she hears are related to her, others are related to the conversation she was overhearing, and some are related to the character saying them. Some are statements people have already said, and some are statements people haven't said yet. Also, I really like the subtlety of the ocean/breaking waves sound they play when she's spying on zoe/wash. That was a nice touch.

MELEAUX

Thursday, September 11, 2003 5:08 PM

I am convinced that each statement spoken to River is directed to River. Not, for instance Book to Jayne. About the upcoming movie, I read somewhere a quote from Joss about the difficulties in introducing the stories to a whole new audience and remaining fresh to his loyal followers. Quite a conundrum I would immagine. I only hope that he doesn't waste time on the pointless and non-effective sexual tension between Mal and Inara. I was personally really happy for Mal in the HOG episode. ~` Though I must admit that scene where Inara weeps after learning of Mal's -uhm- relations with her friend was the first moment of genuine emotion I think I'd scene out of her. She effectively communicated true heartbreak.
I am mostly looking forward to finding out the mystery behind Book.

She understands, she doesn't comprehend

BISHOP

Thursday, September 11, 2003 7:16 PM

Inara did such an excellent job in that episode too, if you catch the very last scene, right when she turns away from Mal, she breaks down and starts to cry, but you can just barely catch it as she is turning, so Mal cant see it, only we can. Im astounded how well this cast fits their characters and how real everything is.

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