Cheney goes on a rampage!!
POSTED BY: Khyron
UPDATED: Friday, May 14, 2021 03:27
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Well, apparently there was some alcohol there. Armstrong herself said "There may be a beer or two in there, but remember not everyone in the party was shooting." Since she wasn't shooting (she was in ther car and didn't see what happened, AND she wasn't drinking, the logical conclusion is that other members of the pary were both shooting AND drinking.
Or, they each had a beer with their sandwich for lunch, and were quite sober by late in the day. Or, they had some in the cooler to celebrate a successful day of shooting after they finished and unloaded.
I also race cars (Hey, Kwicko! NASA Honda Challenge in a CRX Si ITA clone), and often have beer in my cooler at the track. It comes out at the end of the last session when the track is closed and everyone is talking about the events of the day. On my couple of forays in the hunting field, this is also when the beer came out...after the stuff requiring sobriety was over.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Now I know that it is only "right-winged wackjobs" that go hunting so I'll explain this to your undeveloped minds. When you go hunting for birds you use a shot gun unless you are an extremely good shot which is highly unlikely that you are shooting birds with a rifle anyway. As we all know shotguns are 100's of tiny pellets that spray out and cover a wide target area. So if it were poited at someone then mulriple pellets would go in multiple directions. I'm pointing this out to the idiots who think it's the "Magic Bullet Theory" or that you go hunting BIRDS with rifles. Not making fun of someones "joke".
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Quote:Assburn: Now I know that only lefties have a sense of humor, I'll explain this to your undeveloped mind: I think waaaaay back in this thread I made a joke (note: joke) about Cheney and Bush going bird-hunting with high-powered rifles. Note: It was a joke.
Now I know that it is only "right-winged wackjobs" that go hunting so I'll explain this to your undeveloped minds. When you go hunting for birds you use a shot gun unless you are an extremely good shot which is highly unlikely that you are shooting birds with a rifle anyway.
Hey Geezer, I re-read the statement and it said nothing about "drinking". It was certainly very carefully worded!
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HEY HERO !! Still waiting for you to look up alcohol-related accidental shootings.
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Cheney used a Perazzi Brescia 28-gauge double gun, with factory-loaded #7-1/2 shot. The most common 28-ga. load is 3/4 ounce, or 262 lead-shot pellets per load. The 28 gauge is usually an expert shot's gun, and for quail would probably be choked Modified and Full, or perhaps even Full and Full. This means that about 3/4 of the shot would be in a 30-inch circle at 40 (not 30) yards, or about 200 pellets (worst-case scenario) would be in that circle at 40 yards. To simplify, let's assume a 40-yard range (not the reported 30), Full choke, and that Whittington was centered in the pattern. That means his torso, neck and head would take up, say, half of that 30-inch circle (probably quite a bit less than half). This means that he could have been hit with about 100 pellets. Move him to 30 yards and he could have been hit with 16/9 x 100, or 178 pellets, worst-case scenario. The police report gave the range as appproximately 30 yards. Oddly, the report states the injuries were on the right side of face, neck, and chest, but the diagram of the injuries shows the damage to the LEFT side, which would make far more sense, given the reported circumstances of Cheney swinging to the right.
Whittington was also hit in the neck, which would not take a lot of penetration to put a pellet into a big artery, but I'm guessing here because I don't know how deep an artery is, within the neck. But if a pellet got into a major left-side neck artery it could easily move straight down to the heart.
There is no way in hell a single #7-1/2 shot pellet at 30 yards could have penetrated vest, shirt, undershirt, skin, and chest muscles to get to the heart directly.
Also, for the record, Cheney did in fact have a valid hunting license (about $125). About six months ago TX decided to require a $7 stamp, like a duck stamp, and neither Cheney nor Whittington had one, though Cheney's office had requested everything pertinent to legal hunting prior to the hunt. Hence Cheney's slap on the wrist, which I suspect any hunter would receive for not knowing all the latest requirements.
Cheney did three things wrong: Shot someone, failed to inform the American people, and failed to take full blame.
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For what it's worth, Whittington has a pellet lodged in his liver (located primarily on the right side of the body). It penetrated clothing, skin, and muscle to lodge there.
Now, the liver is primarily located under the ribs. It's really hard to get at. Unless your liver is swollen and expanded downwards.
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Well, I did some looking up.
Some states use 'voluntary intoxication' as a diminishing factor during sentencing (b/c of the inability to form 'specific intent'). Texas is aparently not one of those states.
It looks like Cheney could be charged with anything from felony aggravated assault (with alcohol not a defense) to reckless endagerment (with alcohol as part of the charge).
So, did Cheney really go off to calmly eat dinner while his friend was rushed off to hospital? Or did he hunker with his lawyers? My guess is he had pressing matters on his mind and it wasn't which gravy to choose.
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Originally posted by Geezer:
I also race cars (Hey, Kwicko! NASA Honda Challenge in a CRX Si ITA clone), and often have beer in my cooler at the track. It comes out at the end of the last session when the track is closed and everyone is talking about the events of the day. On my couple of forays in the hunting field, this is also when the beer came out...after the stuff requiring sobriety was over.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
Geezer: No kidding - you too? And another CRX driver to boot! :) Gotta love the CRX. I love 'em maybe TOO much. Right now I've got three (silver '87 Si, yellow '90 Si, and burgundy '91 DX). And that's after selling a couple over the past few years (silver '88 Si, white '89 DX).
I hear ya on the beer, too. I *might* have a beer after the races, or after I get home from the races. Ditto when I work on cars. I get people wanting help all the time, and they offer to buy the beer if I'll help work on their car. I tell 'em to save the beer 'til AFTER the tools are put away. I like beer as much as the next guy, but there's a time and place, and it ain't when I'm doing serious stuff, even if I'm doing the serious stuff just for fun!
Mike
PS: DEFINITELY keep the shiny side up. And the sticky side down.
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So how do you feel about the Red Haze potential of quail hunting?
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Quote:The liver? Hmmm...
Now, the liver is primarily located under the ribs. It's really hard to get at. Unless your liver is swollen and expanded downwards
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